25-11-2001 10:36									#1
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Seems that the S-League is transforming itself into a PBEM forum - I count six or seven PBEM games concurrently. Would anyone, especially Xin Yu, be interested in a ZWK PBEM game? It was afterall made with multi-player in mind.

Countries are:

Axis (Gray)
Allies (Yellow) - American cities not shown on map.
Soviets (Light blue)
Minor Axis (Green) - optional/need to be allied with Axis
Minor Allies (Blue) - optional/need to be allied with Allies

Independents (Red) - not easy
Neutrals (Pink) - not easy

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	25-11-2001 11:57									#2
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ARRRGGGGHHH its the all conquering blackness!! Its already consumed parts of africa and russia nothing can stop it!!!

Hmm i would be intrested because although it took me ages to get into this scen it was worth it in the end.

However i counted the number of PBEM's that im in and its 4 so i dont really want to add another one to it. Ill stay tuned though. And you want Xin Yu. Boy you must be mad.

	26-11-2001 04:57									#3
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Sure, I'd like to try my hand at the minor Allies, if this PBEM Game starts.

	26-11-2001 06:05									#4
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i wish i had the time to play, but with finals less than two weeks away... not to mention i've never played the scenario so i'd be at a slight disadvantage against a player like xin

	26-11-2001 06:37									#5
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower i wish i had the time to play, but with finals less than two weeks away... not to mention i've never played the scenario so i'd be at a slight disadvantage against a player like xin

Playing PBEMs doesn't take much of your time - maybe half an hour or so per week

	26-11-2001 06:50									#6
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.. not to mention i've never played the scenario so i'd be at a slight disadvantage against a player like xin.

Xin has never played it either although he has PMed me to say that he has downloaded it to try it out. For people who are unfamiliar with ZWK, you can download and check out the review here...

http://www.civfanatics.com/reviews/reviews_zwk.shtml


Sure, I'd like to try my hand at the minor Allies, if this PBEM Game starts.

Thanks for coming onboard. Actually ZWK plays well even if there are only three players so I think there is a reasonable chance that it kicks off.


Playing PBEMs doesn't take much of your time - maybe half an hour or so per week

How about you Case? I'm sure we can wait a week for you to get back from your grandparents while other players familiarize themselves with the scenario.

p.s. did you ever get round to trying my Cruel Sea changes?

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	26-11-2001 20:49									#7
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Ooh... can I be the Axis?

	27-11-2001 00:32									#8
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I am none too familiar with this scenario either. Dled it upon its release, and simply havent goten around to getting really into the thick of it. I have a bunch of things going for me right now, graduating college here in december (Woot!), doing up some Stalingrad, and playing in 4 PBEM's myself. But since this is a new one to me, I think i am up for the challenge! I would care to take (green) minor Axis powers, as they have an interesting position on the map. I also want to let some more power-players take the reigns of the more feature Civs.

Now, there has been a few updates to this, correct? I will check that link you provided to make sure my version is the most recent.

Love that map there too! Great idea to devide it all up and include the city names! Well done.

I am in no rush here, so I can wait a bit 'till we get a full roster of players for this. You back from G'mama's yet Casey?

	27-11-2001 04:56									#9
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I might play either the allies, minor axis, or the Russians. Let me download the scenario and play it once or twice to see how it goes.

	27-11-2001 06:40									#10
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Just to summarise, here's the interest we got so far

FMK - Minor Axis

ScottF - Allies, Minor Axis or Soviets

Cal - Axis

Anzac - Minor Allies

Kobi - Soviets? (I can give Soviets to Case / Xin Yu if need be)


now, there has been a few updates to this, correct? I will check that link you provided to make sure my version is the most recent.

Yes there was version 1.0,1.1,1.3 and 2.0R. the last version incorporates the views of everyone who sent in comments.


Let me download the scenario and play it once or twice to see how it goes.
Good Idea - the scenario has its own nuances and you need a bit of familiarity to maximize your game.

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	27-11-2001 08:29									#11
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i'll take the most powerful one that is left over when Scott F picks,

	27-11-2001 11:42									#12
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Looks like this PBEM is getting off the ground after all. Everyone make sure you have the latest version if you are not downloading it anew. Axis starts first even though they are not the first tribe. So when Cal is comfortable, he can start and then post the game on this thread.

Might as well set the house/ground rules here first.

1. Negotiation between Humans.
AI should not represent humans and you should arrange beforehand what you want to do or trade via e-mail/PM. Note Axis+Soviet and Axis+Allies are not able to negotiate.

2. Negotiation between Humans and AI powers.
You must take the tech you are offered and not choose from the list that appears.

3. Carriers
Notwithstanding Colonel Doolittle's antics, no bombers can land on carriers. Also, carriers cannot launch torpedoes.

4. Torpedoes
These are not to be used on land (they won't work anyway) and should not be fired from a city unless a U-boat is present.

5.Victory Conditions.
If either Allies or Minor Allies get Berlin, they win.
If Soviets get Berlin, they win.
If either Axis and/or Minor Axis hold both London and Moscow at the same time, they win.
As for the other 2 powers, depending on who they are alligned with, when their partners win, so do they - they can switch alliegences unlike the Minor Axis and Minor Allies.

6. Only the Axis, Allies and Soviets have their own trees so you should feed your 'minor' partners all your techs. Soviets and Allies can trade techs. You may use whatever units you can build from techs you have traded or stolen.



p.s.

jerkwaterbox, only the neutrals and independents are left so if you are still interested, please state which one you want to be (I suggest independents)

	27-11-2001 12:50									#13
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Version 1.3 is the most up to date, right?

	27-11-2001 13:11									#14
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edit: double post.

But to make it seem interesting: Did you know Rudolf Hess was the last of the people tried at Nuremburg to die? He died in 1987 at the age of 92! The cause of death was suicide.

	27-11-2001 14:33									#15
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Some people would argue that the person in Spandau prison was not Rudolf Hess at all.

	27-11-2001 17:27									#16
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independants it is then

	27-11-2001 18:37									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Cal Version 1.3 is the most up to date, right?

As I recall, you were quite instrumental in the development of the scenario from version 1.0 to 1.3 - through your comments (by the way, a belated thanks). An improved version 2.0R fixing all remaining bugs was released in June 2000.

If you have version 1.3 installed, you can use a patch to upgrade to 2.0R located here:

http://www.civfanatics.com/civ2scenmod.shtml#zwk

	29-11-2001 10:21									#18
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Okay, I've got the most up-to-date version. I'll play my turn and post it tomorrow.

	29-11-2001 16:30									#19
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The sequence of players is

Axis -> Independents -> Allies -> Minor Axis -> Soviets -> Minor Allies -> Axis

	29-11-2001 18:01									#20
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I'm going to go ahead and go with the allies.

	30-11-2001 08:59									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Scott F I'm going to go ahead and go with the allies.

You are. This is the line up.

Cal - Axis

JerkWB - Independents

ScottF - Allies

FMK - Minor Axis

Kobi - Soviets

Anzac - Minor Allies

	30-11-2001 10:42									#22
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any special rules I should use? Double movement points for example? What difficultly should I start it at?

	30-11-2001 10:47									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Cal any special rules I should use?

None that I know of.... Kob?

quote: Double movement points for example?

Not usually, I would suggest against it.

quote: What difficultly should I start it at?

Calvin, calvin, calvin... had you read the Henrik & FMK PBEM guide... you wouldn't have this question.
Prince.


-FMK.

	30-11-2001 10:54									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Field Marshal Klesh Calvin, calvin, calvin... had you read the Henrik & FMK PBEM guide... you wouldn't have this question. Prince.

Where does one find this mythical guide?

	30-11-2001 11:26									#25
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The scrolls of wisdom come only to those souls worthy of such vast knowledge...


-FMK.

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	30-11-2001 11:47									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Cal any special rules I should use? Double movement points for example? What difficultly should I start it at?

No special rules - just the standard. Definitely no double movement.

There is a recommended diffculty level. the words 'recommended' will be in brackets next to the choice of levels when you start (use network game not hotseat).

Would you prefer I start the game (Sovets is actually the first player), don't move anything and then post it here?


p.s. FMK - are you following my other game? They seem to be ganging up on me. Would you concentrate on research and defence or attack?

	30-11-2001 12:12									#27
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"London Examiner, Sept 5th
"The New Fuhrer"
by John Freeman,

The German leader Adolf Hitler passed away from the sudden shock that Germany was actually winning a war for a change, his right-hand man, lackey, and third on the German hierarchy scale: Rudolf Hess, former Deupty Fuhrer, was sworn in as the new Fuhrer of the Third Reich.

Fuhrer Hess had this speech to make when he was sworn in as the new fuhrer:

"The National Socialist Party has progressed far from its humble beginnings. It is a tragedy in the deepest sense of the word that the Fuhrer Adolf Hitler passed away before his time. Germany and the world has suffered a tremendous loss. It is my duty and moral obligation as a German to continue the policies of my predecessor. If our will is strong enough, we shall not fail! For Germany, sieg heil!"

The crowd then ignited in such a way that you'd think they were trained. Wasting no time implimenting "the policies of [his] predecessor," Fuhrer Hess quickly declared war on Holland and Amsterdam has been occupied.

Some other lunatic named Herman Goering had this to comment:
"We are maintaining a non-agression peace state with the Soviets. We wish to maintain this as long as possible and discourage any paranoia the Soviets may have, just because occupying Moscow is one of the conditions for victory doesn't mean we have to have a big war about it anytime soon..."

Perhaps it is no great surprise that this Goering chap was passed up for the role as supreme dictator-for-life.

Dark times lay ahead for this continent, very dark times..."

The Third Reich has completed its first turn.

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	02-12-2001 05:58									#28
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The Independent troops fortify in there cities, vowing to keep there independence for the remainder of the war.

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	02-12-2001 08:42									#29
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Colonel Kobichov, spokeman of the Soviet Armed Forces gave a brief press release today. He said, "Don't mess with us."

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	02-12-2001 08:55									#30
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Wait... what's the order again?