 |
| |
|
|
Rufus T. Firefly
|
 |
is one way of saying it, though I prefer "mensch"
Sep 2000
time: 07:16
|
|
The last 20 years have seen a rise in the US of anti-federalism, pro-states-rights politics, and rampant sectionalism (just look at any electoral college map from the last few elections). So:
1) Using massive conventional forces conveniently secreted in the Canadian maritime provinces, unleash Operation Anne of Green Gables and seize the US's Eastern Seaboard; the US loses its capital, financial center, and two (Boston & NY) of its major research centers. Make sure the conquest is utterly horrifying, full of atrocities that end up televised, so the rest of America can picture the worst for itself. When possible, stage atrocities in front of McDonald's and The Gap.
2) Stop. Begin negotiating peace treaties on a state-by-state basis, offering to recognize as an independent country any state or states that negotiate with you (yes, of course its unconstitutional, but with DC gone and a huge foreign army on American soil, will anyone care?). Watch the CSA re-emerge; see Texas become its own country again, now encompassing much of the west; see California, Oregon, and Washington State redefine themselves as the nation of Pacifica; watch as the population of the eastern seaboard supports you rather than making common cause with any of these groups.
3) The US is gone, and in its place are at least three new nations, probably all jealously squabbling over the rightful division of the US military. Mop up at will. 
Last edited by Rufus T. Firefly on 10-12-2001 at 16:32
|
|
| |
|
|
|
korn469
|
 |
Poetic Justic
Apr 1999
time: 00:16
|
|
Well right now i believe that a conventional takeover of the United States is impossible because of U.S. bluewater naval supremacy, however it might be possible in 10-20 years
To me the number one military priority my nation would have is to deny the US control of space. So you would need a nation with a fairly developed space program, the GPS system is as much if not more of a threat than an aircraft carrier. The US relies heavily on space based assets for virtually all of their military needs, so once you deny them the ability to use space then you have a much better chance at winning a war. If I was China i would launch anti sat systems (possibly nuclear) over a period of time pretending they a rival GPS system, then I would launch a diversionary attack on Taiwan hoping to draw US forces into the conflict and when they moved to protect Taiwan i'd detonate all of these weapons and hopefully decimate US space capabilities.
Once the US navy got into range hopefully land based aircraft and missiles could destroy most of the US fleet. If that was successful then a full scale amphibious invasion of the west coast could start.
However to successfully conquer the US you would need to isolate the US from the rest of the world, possibly taking advantage of any diplomatic misteps that occured, if you could get the eurocoms in NATO to stand back and do nothing then that would be a diplomatic coup for our side. Also Russia's either aid or neutrality must be secured. A Pact where Russia would guarantee to strike the US back if it attacked with nuclear weapons could possibly ensure the conventional nature of the war. It would be hard enough fighting the US, but having to contend with the US, the EU, possibly Russia, and then an asian contingent of the aussies, Japan, S. Korea and possibly India would be more than any one contry could handle. Hopefully the US would act with such arrogance and be fickel enough to infuriate the rest of the world.
In the America's the best you could hope for would be neutrality, it is doubtful that nations like Brazil or Peru would come to your aid. Cuba could possibly be used as a staging area if the war was going successful, but this is not a certainty. Mexico would almost certainly back the US militarily along with Canada, but hopefully both Canada and Mexico could be persuaded to remain neutral.
After securing the shores, all attempts to try and avoid narrow mountain passes would be made. Airmobile operations would be a must, but securing US airspace would be difficult or impossible. The likely outcome of an invasion would be iffy at best, however a series of grand defeats of US military forces on our home turf might be enough to cause the government to buckle and maybe the US would sign a favorable peace treaty, though this is unlikely.
Or you could always nuke everything in the US (as Russia) and then let the South Americans fight over the ruins.
|
|
| |
|
| |
|
| |
|
|
|
Jack the Bodiless
|
 |
Converted underground reservoir tank.
Jan 1970
time: 05:16
|
|
The US Navy would be useless against an invasion force assembled in Canada or Mexico in advance, but getting them there in secret would be difficult.
An alternative: Operation Santa's Surprise. A tank invasion from Russia across the North Pole in winter, under a blizzard. Then straight down through sparsely-populated western Canada (they might not even notice) into somewhere like Vermont. Do it over Christmas, when fewer defenders will be on duty.
Ideally, combine this with a fake geological expedition to Yellowstone, which sets charges to blow the Yellowstone caldera. The tanks arrive just as a humongous volcanic eruption goes off. Give them US or Canadian markings and English-speaking crews, and they'll soon be all over the central US as part of the rescue effort.
Best to avoid UN markings though. In any other country, that might work, but for all those redneck militias, you might as well write "Enemy". Ironically, they'd be right about that for once.
|
|
| |
|
| |
|
| |
|
| |
|
|
|
Saint Marcus
|
 |
Scio Me Nihil Scire
Jan 1970
time: 06:16
|
|
No nation on Earth is unconquerable in theory, though in practice I don't think China or the USA or the EU can be conquered anno 2001.
Any invasion would go through Canada and/or Mexico.
Getting troops to Canada wouldn't be too hard. Greenland is Danish (thus European) teritory. Move troops along the line: Europe-Iceland-Greenland-Canada. Use European/Canadian navies and airforces to protect that line. The US' navy is stronger, but won't have much air support (except planes from carriers). European/Canadian airforces can station their planes in Scotland/Iceland/Greenland. This way the transports can be protected since the Euro-Canadians will have a clear air-superiority along the line.
Protecting European mainland won't be too hard either. There are no places from which the US could launch an effective invasion, and the Mediterenean (sp) will be closed to American ships. Nowadays the Arabs aren't too friendly towards the US, and would certainly not allow American troops to be stationed there to attack Europe. Israel is an option, but US troops in Israel would seriously piss of the Arabs. And that still won't do much good, since Europe's fighter airforce is bigger than the US' fighter airforce, and the bulk of America's airforce will be stationed at home anyway.
All this would be made ten times easier if China, or some other nations (how about the old Commonwealth?) would keep the US occupied in Pacific. Then the American navy and airforce would have two fronts to worry about.
Russian aid would make things even better.
Russia could invade Alaska, and then go south through Canada entering the US and taking Seatle.
Euro-Canada could move south along a huge border that can't possibly be defended everywhere, invading the North East and/or Midwest.
China/Australia/Mexico/India would move from the south into the US, thus creating a third front.
Of course, this will never happen, nor do I want it to happen, and it's totally ridiculous to think that it will happen anytime soon.
|
|
| |
|
| |
|
| |
|
| |
|
| |
|
|
|
Stefu
|
 |
CLOWNS WIT DA DOWNS 4 LIFE YO!
Jan 1970
time: 07:16
|
|
Simple. First, we take the UN black helicopter squads currently residing in secret Montana bases. Those, filled with cryogenetically frozen brainwashed ChiCom troops, will then advance, covered by a contrail cloud, upon the luscious rednecks of Rocky Mountains area, who are the first and last line of American defense of liberties (code word: guns), the regular army having been turned into people-killing machines by ZOG-influenced Globalist Washington leaders. After that, it'll be piece of cake for the Russian troops hidden in salt mines under major American cities to descend on orgy of loot and pillage, assisted by mounted Vietcong troopers and Mongolian cavalry, followed by herding of all patriotic Americans into concentration camps currently disguised as grain silos, where they will be brainwashed as mindless drones of AntiChrist Hitlery Klintoon's world government, bent on taking away liberties (guns).
Oh bugger, did I just reveal the plan? Whoopsie-daisie.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
red_jon
|
 |
Uni of Wales Swansea
Oct 2000
time: 05:16
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by Stefu
Simple. First, we take the UN black helicopter squads currently residing in secret Montana bases. Those, filled with cryogenetically frozen brainwashed ChiCom troops, will then advance, covered by a contrail cloud, upon the luscious rednecks of Rocky Mountains area, who are the first and last line of American defense of liberties (code word: guns), the regular army having been turned into people-killing machines by ZOG-influenced Globalist Washington leaders. After that, it'll be piece of cake for the Russian troops hidden in salt mines under major American cities to descend on orgy of loot and pillage, assisted by mounted Vietcong troopers and Mongolian cavalry, followed by herding of all patriotic Americans into concentration camps currently disguised as grain silos, where they will be brainwashed as mindless drones of AntiChrist Hitlery Klintoon's world government, bent on taking away liberties (guns).
Oh bugger, did I just reveal the plan? Whoopsie-daisie. |
No, it's OK - at least you didn't tell them about the part where the English invade using warships from the middle ages and musketeers. Lots of looting and atrocities for the taking there! (because the English are Evil you know   )
Maybe True Americans like Arnie or Van Damme can save US?
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Wiglaf
|
 |
Cambridge
Dec 2000
time: 23:16
|
|
quote:
What if Wiglaf seized power in an armed coup? We'd have to think of our own protection |
Damn straight you would. Btw, this whole thead is a joke. America can never be defeated, as was shown in the revolutionary war or say 1812. No one can attempt to match the hope and courage only we have recieved. Europeans can pride themselves on the BBC or whatever all they want, and the frenchies can eat every potato or croissant their petite hearts desire.
Moving on, if anyone ever attempted to conquer the United States, they would immediatly be killed and their country destroyed within days. Or, in the case of rouge state-sponsored terrorism, like what's going on in Britain or even Canada right now, economics would also play a factor as well as laser guided bombs or cancelled alliances.
Finally, everyone and anyone here who suggests a plan to destroy America should personally be arrested and tried for treason on the spot (a luxury you don't deserve, but hey). International wannabe spies like osweld or markl would quickly be deported and jailed in a military tribunal. No questions asked. Commie fools.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Saint Marcus
|
|
Scio Me Nihil Scire
Jan 1970
time: 06:16
|
|
quote:
Damn straight you would. Btw, this whole thead is a joke. America can never be defeated, as was shown in the revolutionary war or say 1812. No one can attempt to match the hope and courage only we have recieved. Europeans can pride themselves on the BBC or whatever all they want, and the frenchies can eat every potato or croissant their petite hearts desire.
Moving on, if anyone ever attempted to conquer the United States, they would immediatly be killed and their country destroyed within days. Or, in the case of rouge state-sponsored terrorism, like what's going on in Britain or even Canada right now, economics would also play a factor as well as laser guided bombs or cancelled alliances.
Finally, everyone and anyone here who suggests a plan to destroy America should personally be arrested and tried for treason on the spot (a luxury you don't deserve, but hey). International wannabe spies like osweld or markl would quickly be deported and jailed in a military tribunal. No questions asked. Commie fools. |
After readin all this nonsense I'll reply to this
quote:
What if Wiglaf seized power in an armed coup? |
By stating that I'll be the first to enlist. Should Wiglaf take over the US I'll sign up for the Dutch (or then EU) army.
In all other situations: I'll spent my time posting on poly from Switzerland
BTW, I though giani was banned? How come he's still posting here under an obvious DL?
|
|
| |
|
| |
All times are GMT. The time now is 05:16.
Apolyton Time is 00:16. |
top of page
|
| archivepost |
|
Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
|
HTML code is ON
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON
|
|
|
|
|
|
10-12-2001 14:19
Oh wait, that was supposed to be secret ZOG information. 
|