10-12-2001 23:11									#1
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Its seems that a lot of people start off left-wing and liberal but when they get older they tend to move to the right. About 5 years ago I was definitely more left than I am now. I still agree with certain left-wing positions on certain issues (like abortion) but overall I am more conservative now.

I never heard of someone becoming more liberal as they got older, it always seems to be the other way around. Is this because a lot of left-wing/liberal ideas are naive and childish?

I bet thats why there are so many lefties on this forum. You're all a bunch of teens who want to be in the "communist party".

You'll understand what I mean when you get older...

	10-12-2001 23:24									#2
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we call it typical US brainwashing

ideologies are crap... why can't you rate an issue by the circumstances rather than your own leanings?

a year or 2 ago, I tried to find the answers to everything in the extremes, was liek Giancarlo.... now I'm pretty indifferent about all that right-left crap...

	10-12-2001 23:29									#3
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quote: I never heard of someone becoming more liberal as they got older, it always seems to be the other way around. Is this because a lot of left-wing/liberal ideas are naive and childish? I bet thats why there are so many lefties on this forum. You're all a bunch of teens who want to be in the "communist party".

I totally agree with you, but you are misuisng/bastardising the word liberal a heck of a lot.

Left-wingers are immature, childish, and don't live in the real world. Students who expect more and more money from the taxpayer, etc.

	10-12-2001 23:32									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion we call it typical US brainwashing ideologies are crap... why can't you rate an issue by the circumstances rather than your own leanings? a year or 2 ago, I tried to find the answers to everything in the extremes, was liek Giancarlo.... now I'm pretty indifferent about all that right-left crap...

I dont really stick to any particular ideology. I still agree with the left when it comes to abortion, trade unions and a couple of other things.

Its easier to say you are left or right on an issue than explain your position in detail...im lazy, so sue me...

	10-12-2001 23:34									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Infatuation I totally agree with you, but you are misuisng/bastardising the word liberal a heck of a lot.

That comes from living in the US where liberal=left-wing.

	10-12-2001 23:37									#6
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quote: I dont really stick to any particular ideology.

Me neither, in a way. In the UK, the left-wing is the pro-Euro side. However, I am pro-Euro too.

So I maintain that pro-Euro is the true right-wing position - pro-free trade, pro-freedom, etc. A single currency enhances trade, enables higher prosperity. And that is what every right-winger favours.

	10-12-2001 23:40									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Infatuation Me neither, in a way. In the UK, the left-wing is the pro-Euro side. However, I am pro-Euro too. So I maintain that pro-Euro is the true right-wing position - pro-free trade, pro-freedom, etc. A single currency enhances trade, enables higher prosperity. And that is what every right-winger favours.

I guess a lot of right-wingers are isolationists as well, so that may be why they are not pro-europe in the UK...

	10-12-2001 23:42									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia I guess a lot of right-wingers are isolationists as well, so that may be why they are not pro-europe in the UK...

Aye...probably...but paradoxically there's higher British support for war in Afghanistan amongst the right-wingers here...isolationism?

	10-12-2001 23:52									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia I never heard of someone becoming more liberal as they got older, it always seems to be the other way around. Is this because a lot of left-wing/liberal ideas are naive and childish?

You have now. Me. My right-wing ideas from 8-9 years ago were childish. Then again I was a child back then...

quote: Left-wingers are immature, childish, and don't live in the real world. Students who expect more and more money from the taxpayer, etc

What a thing for a little first-year to say. You're more of a child than most other people here, Infat.

	10-12-2001 23:54									#10
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quote: What a thing for a little first-year to say. You're more of a child than most other people here, Infat.

I notice you don't have the brainpower to counter my facts.

	11-12-2001 00:01									#11
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those are not facts but plain childish accusations, without any base

and before you call me anything in that direction, I'm not a left winger, I'm just noticing how irrational your discussion tends to be nowadays

	11-12-2001 00:03									#12
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Which facts are you referring to, brat?

quote: Left-wingers are immature, childish, and don't live in the real world. Students who expect more and more money from the taxpayer, etc

quote: A single currency enhances trade, enables higher prosperity. And that is what every right-winger favours

&c.

Your "facts" are reminding me more and more of Giancarlo's every day. As a matter of fact, this arguing about what the "true right-wing position" is reminds me of the cute little banter Boobie and Giannie engage each other in.

	11-12-2001 00:06									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Infatuation I notice you don't have the brainpower to counter my facts.

Accuse me of laziness, but you calling me stupid just makes me laugh. I'll take any standardized test you want and come up at least two standard deviations above you.

	11-12-2001 00:07									#14
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Krazyhorse, if you intend to come here and bicker and moan without contributing a thing of use, you might as well leave the thread right now.

	11-12-2001 00:11									#15
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Funny, that. I thought this was a bickering and moaning thread, given the "content" of the first post, and all proceeding posts made by you and Cali. Or is it only acceptable if I bicker and moan about childish left-wingers and slutty girls who won't give you the time of day?

	11-12-2001 00:34									#16
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I never heard of someone becoming more liberal as they got older, it always seems to be the other way around. Is this because a lot of left-wing/liberal ideas are naive and childish?


You have heard of another one. The more of the cold hard reality of life that I see the more I desire an idealistic, fair society. I get more and more sick of the selfish, greedy right wing ideas every day.

	11-12-2001 01:02									#17
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Just become a Libertarian:

You'll be "left-wing" about some issues and "right-wing" about others.

	11-12-2001 01:03									#18
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Where'd you go, Spinkie? Run away?

	11-12-2001 01:10									#19
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I agree with KrazyHorse. Come on Stew, you know the issues I am concerned about go further than just 'student grants' considering I am not a student like that any more anyway, I get a grant paid for by research councils and private industry. So why am I still on the left side of politics? He's right, you are getting like some of the 'trendy rightists' on here, which is enough to turn my stomach...

	11-12-2001 01:17									#20
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quote: Just become a Libertarian: You'll be "left-wing" about some issues and "right-wing" about others.

Or even better, independent. I myself vow allegiance to no group. Never will.

Why? Because I don't feel any political group is always right or will always be right. Until there is a day that a party has no flaws (never), I will always be independent.

	11-12-2001 01:28									#21
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drake: What about Pony & Ice Cream Party?

It's agenda consists of that, after winning an election, they'll send every citizen a pony and some ice cream.

I mean, who could oppose ponies and ice cream?

Therefore, this party is flawless, ergo, you should vote for it.

	11-12-2001 01:34									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu drake: What about Pony & Ice Cream Party? It's agenda consists of that, after winning an election, they'll send every citizen a pony and some ice cream.

That soundslike the Democratic Party.

	11-12-2001 01:43									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu It's agenda consists of that, after winning an election, they'll send every citizen a pony and some ice cream. I mean, who could oppose ponies and ice cream? Therefore, this party is flawless, ergo, you should vote for it.

Are you insane?!!?

Do you know how much it costs to feed and care for a pony?!!?

Are you trying to break me?!!?

No good, rotten Kantaloupie party!

Should all be jailed, worse than the Democrats!

	11-12-2001 00:09									#24
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Are you sure everyone gets ice cream and a pony?

	11-12-2001 00:23									#25
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The biggest paradigm shift from left to right most likely comes as a byproduct of marriage and children, rather than any brilliant insight into political ideology.

Prior to marriage you are looking for that lifelong sexual partner and hence have little use for the 'sage' advice of conservatives - folks who used to be just like you, but who have themselves progressed farther along in the family progression outlined below - who want to marry you off to the ideal soul mate that they have selected for you.

After marriage, but prior to parenthood, the possibility of dual incomes [at least in America] provides the freedom necessary to allow one to 'blow off' a job here and there, should there be a problem with bosses and/or coworkers.

After marriage and children, all freedoms pale in importance to providing for one's family. No longer can you mouth off to the idiot boss. In fact if you want to put you kids in college you will have to go out of your way to attempt to please your boss[es].

The growth of your family's income stream becomes paramount and this stage marks the point of maximum conservatism for most people as they age.

- Scipio

	11-12-2001 01:52									#26
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I think that:

-Everybody is equal before the law, and everybody has the same rights
-You are allowed to do whatever you want as long as it doesn't impinge on me, and the gov. does not have to protect you from yourself
-The government does not have to equalize all people. People with merit will do better than those without.

BUT I also think that:

-Socialized health care and education are good
-The rich should pay more taxes than the poor because we all are responsible to our society as a whole, and the rich have a larger ability to contribute.

So, am I left or right? For Canada, I'm right. In the US, I would vote Democrat because I don't like the Libertarian or Republican parties.

	11-12-2001 02:16									#27
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Hear hear the independants!!

The whole notion of 'right' or 'left' is just a political invention designed to put people into groups in order to simplify issues for ignorant people.

I am a Pragmatic Centrist.

LOL ask I 'rightist' or 'leftist' how one defines right and left wing....they both start talking at the same time...

LEFTY: The left wing movement is about the securing of rights!

RIGHTY: The right wing movement is about the securing of rights!

LEFTY: The right-wing movement is about certain elite interests in society trampling on our rights!

RIGHTY: The left wing movement is about certain elite interests trampling on our rights!

There is not one ideology that is right, and another that is wrong, they are both full of ****.

There is only good policy, and bad policy, sound management, and poor management. That's why I voted Liberal here in Canada.

	11-12-2001 03:29									#28
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I've moved farther left as I've gotten older.

	11-12-2001 03:33									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Joe R. Golowka I've moved farther left as I've gotten older.

You're best keeping admissions of idiocy to yourself.

	11-12-2001 03:44									#30
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Jolly good troll, Infat!