13-12-2001 20:22									#61
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quote: Originally posted by DanS "Didn't know they got there. It's funny though to see them in some old small spanish town in the middle of nowhere..." They are in my home town (pop ~40k) in Ohio. Yes, Ohio exists! We've got an Aldi to prove it. I think the superstore approach is fusing a supermarket with a retail discounter.

I think the town was called Llerida. A medieval fortress that has not grown beyond its city walls. Only old buildings. And then you turn around a corner, and "Aldi" glares in your face.

So, how is your Ohio Aldi run ? By non-existing people, I assume ?

About superstore - can you describe that ? Supermarket and Discounter do not carry particularly differing connotations with me...

	13-12-2001 20:24									#62
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quote: Originally posted by DanS The basis for greeters is actually quite good and efficient. If you've never been in the store, you just ask them where they have what you're looking for.

At the entrance?

That job is usually fulfilled by a high tech innovation here, called "sign"...

	13-12-2001 20:27									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Roland Btw, what exactly is that "superstore" approach ?

From what I've been able to gather: A Wal-Mart Superstore is exactly like a regular Wal-Mart but it sells food as well and is usually larger in size.

	13-12-2001 20:31									#64
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"but it sells food as well"

"normal" Walmarts do not sell... food ?

How big does a store have to be to be a superstore ?

	13-12-2001 20:33									#65
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Aldi in Lancaster, Ohio is run the same way as an Aldi in any other corner of the world. I think the whole place is run by 5 or 6 people.

At first, people looked at it like any other novelty. Definitely different than any US supermarket. But I don't think Aldi changed a thing with their MO, and they have a steady business, as far as I can tell.

I am dubious about the business model, because I can't see where they could drive scale, however.

	13-12-2001 20:44									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Roland "normal" Walmarts do not sell... food ?

Not in my experience. Obviously I can't speak for Germany though.

quote: How big does a store have to be to be a superstore ?

180,000-square-feet is the most impressive size I've ever heard of one getting to.

	13-12-2001 21:03									#67
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Dan:
Would you say they are looking for just a niche ?

dino:

"180,000-square-feet is the most impressive size I've ever heard of one getting to."

That's about 16.000 m2 ?
Our local Interspar has 5000, the biggest IS in Austria 10.000 m2... (I had to do some research on sales per m2 a while ago when I was working about a very wierd shopping center regulation).

I'd be surprised if the differences weren't bigger than that....

	13-12-2001 21:29									#68
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Roland:

quote: It was on a lot of basic foods and would have killed most small retailers.

There you go again, protecting competitors instead of protecting competition. Just like with GE - Honeywell. (Where's that half-assed troll smiley when you really need it?)

The answer to the pop quiz is India, with about 60 million people in households with income greater than $100K per year.

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"There you go again, protecting competitors instead of protecting competition. Just like with GE - Honeywell."

GE-Honeywell was the Commission, Walmart the german one. So let's keep that separated...

"The answer to the pop quiz is India, with about 60 million people in households with income greater than $100K per year."

Huuuuge households ?

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Whoahhhh...that's alot of MF'ers with over 100K!!!

How many in the US, Adam Smith?

	14-12-2001 09:30									#71
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Dang...did anybody see that United States country? Where the heck did they come from? They sure took that first spot!

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Germany has not been the world's third largest economy for a long time now. It has only been the third using nominal GDP. These statistics use PPP and through cross-referencing with other sources seem to be correct, but the growth rates are indeed suspect and may indicate changes in measuring over the years.

	14-12-2001 12:33									#73
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Much more interesting than the GDP (yes, populous countries have a large GDP ) is the GDP per capita. Now here's the top 50 of 1999, from the same website:

1. Luxembourg 34,200
2. United States 33,900
3. Singapore 27,800
4. Switzerland 27,100
5. Monaco 27,000
6. Norway 25,100
7. Belgium 23,900
8. Denmark 23,800
9. Iceland 23,500
10. Austria 23,400
11. Japan 23,400
12. Canada 23,300
13. France 23,300
14. Netherlands 23,100
15. Liechtenstein ¹ 23,000
16. Germany 22,700
17. Kuwait 22,500
18. Australia 22,200
19. United Kingdom 21,800
20. Italy 21,400
21. Finland 21,000
22. Sweden 20,700
23. Ireland 20,300
24. Bahamas, The ¹ 20,000
25. San Marino ² 20,000
26. Israel 18,300
27. Andorra ³ 18,000
28. United Arab Emirates 17,700
29. Brunei 17,400
30. New Zealand 17,400
31. Spain 17,300
32. Qatar 17,000
33. Taiwan 16,100
34. Cyprus ¹ 15,400
35. Portugal 15,300
36. Greece 13,900
37. Malta 13,800
38. Bahrain 13,700
39. Korea, South 13,300
40. Chile 12,400
41. Czech Republic 11,700
42. Slovenia 10,900
43. Malaysia 10,700
44. Mauritius 10,400
45. Argentina 10,000
46. Nauru (1993 est.) 10,000
47. Northern Mariana Islands ³ 9,300
48. Saudi Arabia 9,000
49. Palau ² 8,800
50. Mexico 8,500

	14-12-2001 20:08									#74
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quote: 6. Norway 25,100 7. Belgium 23,900 8. Denmark 23,800 9. Iceland 23,500 10. Austria 23,400 11. Japan 23,400 12. Canada 23,300 13. France 23,300 14. Netherlands 23,100 15. Liechtenstein ¹ 23,000

Hah!

	14-12-2001 20:45									#75
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now China is not even on that list, so it is probably worse than bad at that, anticipatedly

how can the US have such a high GDP per capita?

and Germany is only bad like that nowadays because of us guys

	15-12-2001 15:49									#77
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quote: how can the US have such a high GDP per capita?

GDP per capita also doesn't say everything. Cost of living, and things like education and health care need to be taken into account. Also, the low exchange rate of the Euro probably has a lot to do with it too (though Luxembourgh is still extremely high, but it used to be a lot higher than in the US).

quote: Hah!

Wow...a difference of 800 dollars per year. My my

	15-12-2001 15:51									#78
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26. Pakistan 282,000,000,000 282,000,000,000 0.00

No growth/decline in Pakistan at all in a year? Seems highly unlikely.

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Dodgy figures. The UK is higher than that. We have the fourth biggest economy.

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quote: Originally posted by Mark L GDP per capita also doesn't say everything. Cost of living, and things like education and health care need to be taken into account. Also, the low exchange rate of the Euro probably has a lot to do with it too (though Luxembourgh is still extremely high, but it used to be a lot higher than in the US).

These are PPP figures, so they do take into account the cost of living, education, healthcare, etc. US is doing so well because of the size of its market and its pro free market policies. These figures are old anyway, the US is even better now ($36,400), while Europe has hardly grown. Since the prices are already taken into account, the exchange rate of the Euro has nothing to do with the US and European rankings.

Perhaps the new Euro currency will enable Europe to take advantage of the economies of scale on the level of the US, but if Europe truly wants to catch up, it needs to start embracing the free market more.

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quote: Originally posted by Mark L 26. Pakistan 282,000,000,000 282,000,000,000 0.00 No growth/decline in Pakistan at all in a year? Seems highly unlikely.

This is the result of sanctions imposed on Pakistan due to its nuclear explosions and its resulting economic troubles.

	15-12-2001 21:00									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Dodgy figures. The UK is higher than that. We have the fourth biggest economy.

The figures are rather accurate. The UK is only the fourth biggest economy if the economy is measured nominally, in reality it is much lower than that.

	15-12-2001 21:15									#83
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quote: This is the result of sanctions imposed on Pakistan due to its nuclear explosions and its resulting economic troubles.

If it had economic troubles you'd at least suspect their GDP going down right? I find it highly doubtfull Pakistan's GDP is 0.00%. That's close to impossible.

	15-12-2001 21:20									#84
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Corp. Profits:

4. Royal Dutch/Shell Group (Netherlands/UK) - 12,719.0
7. ING Groep (Netherlands) 2,909.7 11,075.2
10. Royal Philips Electronics (Netherlands) 6,598.5 8,873.8 [/quote]

3 Dutch companies in the top 10 of the world. A good year for Dutch entrepeneurship!

	15-12-2001 21:31									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Mark L If it had economic troubles you'd at least suspect their GDP going down right? I find it highly doubtfull Pakistan's GDP is 0.00%. That's close to impossible.

Not necessarily, German GDP growth is also 0% this year. Obviously it is not precisely 0%, it might be 0.2% or something along those lines, but the figures are not that accurate and the same goes for Pakistan (in fact the figures there will be even more inaccurate).

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quote: Originally posted by Mark L Corp. Profits: 4. Royal Dutch/Shell Group (Netherlands/UK) - 12,719.0 7. ING Groep (Netherlands) 2,909.7 11,075.2 10. Royal Philips Electronics (Netherlands) 6,598.5 8,873.8

3 Dutch companies in the top 10 of the world. A good year for Dutch entrepeneurship! [/QUOTE]

Congratulations

Holland is doing pretty well

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quote: Originally posted by Mark L GDP per capita also doesn't say everything. Cost of living, and things like education and health care need to be taken into account. Also, the low exchange rate of the Euro probably has a lot to do with it too (though Luxembourgh is still extremely high, but it used to be a lot higher than in the US).

On a related issue, what is the spread of the wealth in the various countries like. If two countries have the same GDP per capita it could be split in a variety of proportions:

e.g GDP per capita $20,000; population 10m

1) Everyone earns $20,000
2) 1m earns $110,000, the other 9m earn $10,000.
3) 1m earns $191, 000 the others $1,000

OK that not be how it would work out but you get the idea.

Basically given that the US has a lot of multi-millionaire income people how much does that skew the results? Include in the fact that the income divide is a lot smaller in Europe and the ROTW.