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Ecthy is offline Ecthy
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Just checked a list of GDP rankings... WTF, Germany not 3rd anymore?!?! Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Short time ago, Starchild posted a thread asking about economic powers, and someone posted this link:

http://www.geohive.com/charts/ec_gdp1.php

It lists the US as 1st, as usual. Now under the US of A there used to be Japan and then Germany, followed by France and the like.... but what do I see up there? China and India have both overtaken Germany during the last, say, five years?!

And it even lists China with a GDP loss of 7% compared to 99, with most recent stats of 2000. India's economy seems to have grown by 20%, which is a usual figure for a developing country, but look at the regions India is moving in... I mean, how big will that country's economy be when it is higher developped... it might overtake the EU and the US even!

In some way, this was supposed to 'happen'... Look at their population numbers, and China is sort of communist as well, so they sure can coordinate their labour force better than a free economy. That doesn't mean their GDP is higher, but I'd suppose they can get over a crisis or another more well-coordinated than a market economy... but I'm not the economics person, so you tell me

Do you think a higher weight of foreign economies will not only outdo the western economies but also grow at the cost of our living standards?

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Deutschland, Deutschland, unter alles...

Hmm, should I design a "points finger, laughs" smiley?

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@ Andz


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Finland ranks 49, BTW

Germany losing 2 ranks was just an example for developing countries gaining economic importance...

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Here's an indictation of why you're no longer #3.

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ROTFLMAO

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Fook. We used to be 23! Now 37th. But the economy is advancing by 4,6% a year. What the fook happened?

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this list is biased.

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quote:
Originally posted by paiktis22
this list is biased.


... toward the facts.

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quote:
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... toward the facts.



american propaganda I'm telling ya

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american propaganda I'm telling ya


That would be the CIA World Fact Book. Which also has you at higher that 37 incidentally.

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you guys crack me up

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We're 21st!

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Russia had an increase of over 80%!!!

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I see someone else reads the Economist

Wow... apparently Romania grew at 51.6%... at this rate

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I've always remembered the UK as being 7th, ahead of Italy. No change there.

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No suprise that China and India are so far up, it's absolute GDP. Now GDP per capita, that's a stat (go Luxembourg!).

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The reason why y'all are surprised at the numbers is because they are probably PPP (purchase power parity)--i.e., it takes into account how much it costs to buy something in the country.

China jumps from $1.1 trillion on an exchange rate basis to $5.9 trillion on a PPP basis. So you can see that it has quite an effect. On an exchange rate basis, Germany's economy is still about twice China's.

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I think PPP makes more sense than pure exchange rate, theoretically. The problem is to get the correct PPP. I'm a little suspicious about China and India moving ahead of Japan and Germany.

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Does anybody know what the PPP used to relate between $CAN and $US is/was?

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We're 21st!

O well, as long as we stay above Belgium

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Does anybody know what the PPP used to relate between $CAN and $US is/was?


For 2000, The Economist has the market exchange rate at $23.1k/pp and the PPP rate at $29k, so the factor would be 1.25.

The CIA has the PPP rate at $24.8k/pp, so I guess the factor would be 1.07.

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From my personal experience (hardly sufficient, I know) 1.25 is too high but 1.07 is too low.

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Hmmm... The CIA and The Economist don't agree on the 2000 US GDP figures, so the 1.07 is probably not the correct calculation on my part. But it would be lower than the 1.25. In any event, I don't know how you could tell the difference on a personal level, considering that they are so close together.

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By doing a vaguely scientific price-check when I visited a Wal-Mart in the States I ended up witha "proper" exchange rate of ~15%.

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The Big Mac Index has you at 1.3.

On 1.25, I guess that would mean every Canadian dollar is worth in buying power:

1 USD / 1.567 CND * 1.25 PPP = USD $0.80.

Of course, there's no way you could buy a whole economy-wide basket of goods yourself.

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In terms of cards I used to collect (Hockey, and collectible card games) the rate is more like: $1 CAN buys $1.0725 US, but that's a very limited set of goods

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1. Which country has the most people living in households with household income of $100K or more?

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Umm, is it the Vatican, with 1000 people?

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