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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:16
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,40679,00.html
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WASHINGTON — Some 60 Israelis, who federal investigators have said are part of a long-running effort to spy on American government officials, are among the hundreds of foreigners detained since the Sept. 11 terror attacks, Fox News has learned.
The Israelis, a handful of whom are described as active Israeli military or intelligence operatives, have been detained on immigration charges or under the new Patriot Anti-Terrorism Law. Federal investigators said some of them failed polygraph questions inquiring about alleged surveillance activities against and in the United States.
There is no indication the Israelis were involved in the Sept. 11 attacks, but investigators suspect that they may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance and not shared it.
A highly placed investigator told Fox News there are "tie-ins," but when asked for details flatly refused to describe them. "Evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified, I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It is classified information," the source said.
An Israeli Embassy spokesman offered categorical denials, and said any suggestion of Israelis spying on or in the United States is simply not true.
But Fox News has learned that one group of Israelis spotted in North Carolina recently is suspected of keeping an apartment in California to spy on a group of Arabs who the U.S. authorities are investigating for links to terrorism.
Numerous classified documents obtained by Fox News indicate that even prior to Sept. 11, as many as 140 other Israelis had been detained or arrested in a secretive and sprawling investigation into suspected espionage by Israelis in the United States.
Investigators from numerous government agencies are part of a working group that has been compiling evidence in the case since the mid-1990s. These documents detail hundreds of incidents in cities and towns across the country that investigators say quote "may well be an organized intelligence-gathering activity."
Investigators are focusing part of their efforts on Israelis who said they are art students from the University of Jerusalem or Bezalel Academy and repeatedly made contact with U.S. government personnel by saying they wanted to sell cheap art or handiwork.
Documents say they "targeted" and penetrated military bases, the Drug Enforcement Administration, the Federal Bureau of Investigations, dozens of government facilities and even secret offices and unlisted private homes of law enforcement and intelligence personnel.
Another part of the investigation has resulted in the detention and arrest of dozens of Israelis working at kiosks in American malls, where they had been selling toys called "Puzzlecar" and "Zoomcopter."
Investigators suspected a front. Shortly after the New York Times and Washington Post reported the detentions of Israelis on immigration charges last month, the carts began vanishing.
Why would Israelis spy in and on the United States?
A General Accounting Office investigation referred to Israel as Country A and said, "According to a U.S. intelligence agency, the government of country A conducts the most aggressive espionage operation against the U.S. of any U.S. ally."
A Defense Intelligence report said Israel has a "voracious appetite for information."
"The Israelis are motivated by strong survival instincts which dictate every facet of their political and economic policies," the DIA report said. "It aggressively collects military and industrial technology and the U.S. is a high priority target.
"Israel possesses the resources and technical capability to achieve its collection objectives," the document concludes.
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This is not going to end well.  
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Guynemer
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The very fact that there were "positive" polygraph tests leads me to believe that these people AREN'T spies. A polygraph can't tell if you're lying. It can only tell if you're nervous. I'd sure as hell be nervous if the government picked me up while investigating one of the most horrific crimes in history. Unless, of course, I was trained to handle the government... nervous people generally don't become spies.
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:16
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Yeah. I was also a bit puzzled.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:16
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Hopefully we lock those ****ers in prison and throw away the key.
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
time: 06:16
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Kill them painfully I say
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Sirotnikov
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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
time: 07:16
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Originally posted by Ecthelion
Kill them painfully I say |
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Had they been actually participating in terrorism - fine.
But they were spying on terrorists. and the usa.
So what's the problem?
Unless we weren't sharing information, in which case I'm gonna be very pissed at my government.
But still, you boviously understand the need for us to pick up our own information.
It was published by an ex-employee of MI6, that the agency knew in advance about the plans of terrorists to bomb the Israeli embassy, and they did nothing about it. They didn't stop the terrorists, neither did they inform the Israelis.
So, knowledge is of the essence.
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This is true under the prerequisition that someone gives a flying toss about USA public opnion |
Whether one gives a toss or not, this eventually defines reality.
While you think much of yourself, the EU is one lousy arab-kissing body, with no influence outside europe.
Oh, and more about the Israeli involvement in the attacks.
ICQ is an israeli invention, and mirabilis was originally Israeli. As you know, many ripoffs came to be later, including AOL IM, MSN Messanger etc.
One such ripoff, is another Israeli product named Odigo. Odigo has offices in America.
Some hour before the attack, messages about it (dont' recall the actual content) somehow were sent by someone to an Odigo official, via the Odigo Messanger.
The company immediatelly contacted Israeli security forces and the CIA and FBI.
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BECAUSE of the Liberty |
You still remember that??
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Bereta_Eder
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A General Accounting Office investigation referred to Israel as Country A and said, "According to a U.S. intelligence agency, the government of country A conducts the most aggressive espionage operation against the U.S. of any U.S. ally."
A Defense Intelligence report said Israel has a "voracious appetite for information."
"The Israelis are motivated by strong survival instincts which dictate every facet of their political and economic policies," the DIA report said. "It aggressively collects military and industrial technology and the U.S. is a high priority target. |
This makes sense, nothing to be ashamed about.
Spy 'til you drop. It does good to your country and it is very useful to spy a superpower that has many many very well equiped espionage units all over the world.
But I thought that CIA and Mossad were like bother and sister already exchanging a vast area of intelligence?
BTW, Israelis could never have participated in the attack or even let it take place if they knew something about it.
Even if they had calculated to a certain extend the pros and cons of letting the terrorist hits take place (assuming they had knowlwdge which I seriously doubt) the whole deal is too unprecedented to fully assess what would follow and wether it would be in favor of Israel as a whole.
In other words this report from Fox (which is like a KGB chanel is it not? same "objectivety" and "independence") I thionk tries to freeze american israelis on their tracks in the event the US has to piss off Israel in the future.
It tries to create a buffer zone into which the US government will have more freedom to navigate.
I hope americans are not so easily misled.
Israel has everything to gain from staying in good terms with the US.
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14-12-2001 02:12
... I can see it now ... " .... The Palestinian Authority has pledged it's full support to the US authority in the capturing and apprehension of suspected Israeli spies ... "
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) in Greece. (but he got 14 years in Attica while the CIA agents walked (diplomatic immunity although it was a GRAVE violation of sovereignity 
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