22-12-2001 12:03									#1
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I want to set you straight on something, bumpkin.
Without someone serving in the military, you would be up to your ass in alligators.
If you don't want to serve, that's one thing, but to make such an ignorant comment lie you did is disgusting.
Had I to do over again, I'd turn people like you over to the oppresor in a heart beat.
I'm sick to death of hearing little spoon fed babes talk such ignorant trash.
You know who you are, and I feel not at all uncomfortable telling you to stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
If you don't agree, tough.
I've had worse on my eyeball; and been called much worse by much better people than your little pampered ass.

	22-12-2001 12:39									#2
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Slowwhand, to whom are you refering to?

	22-12-2001 12:40									#3
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Shut up and knock back a few, paiktis. Obviously SlowwHand got us started.

	22-12-2001 12:48									#4
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You keep forgeting I'm not an american Asher Use phrases that exist in english grammar books or I don;t understand a thing (that means take it easy on the slang? )

	22-12-2001 12:50									#5
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Get drunk.

	22-12-2001 12:52									#6
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edit: 9 o 'clock in the morning is a bit too soon

	22-12-2001 13:42									#7
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I agree that Higgsy's comment was a bit much. I respect the job people volunteer to do when they join up.

I don't, however, respect the attitude that some veterans appear to have regarding those who don't join up. (Not talking to you in particular, Slowwhand)

The military's not, and shouldn't be for everybody.

	22-12-2001 13:48									#8
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We've been through this with SlowwHand before. He's being kinda egocentric, but that's to be expected with Texans.

He assumes what he believes in and what he's interested in should be what everyone else believes in, also. World doesn't work like that.

I respect people no matter what they do (sorta). I respect garbage men, CEOs, military people, etc. I don't respect criminals (in the sense of real criminal activity, not stuff like smoking weed).

That being said, the only military branch I was remotely interested in was the Air Force, but my eyesight kinda sucks. No air force for me, no military for me. That's fine though, I can contribute to my nation in other ways. Doesn't have to be through service like SlowwHand seems to think.

	22-12-2001 13:53									#9
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but you're canadian Asher. What the fook would an american want to do with a canadian?


do I say to an italian what to do with his life?

	22-12-2001 13:54									#10
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 but you're canadian Asher. What the fook would an american want to do with a canadian?

What he's talking about isn't specific to America. His position is people have to sign up for their country's military service to serve it. IIRC, he supported mandatory military service like what Israel has, but for America.

	22-12-2001 13:58									#11
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well Greece has mandatory conscription too but it is on its way to be abolished (and the creation of an 100% proffessional army is on its way).


I say that's good.

	22-12-2001 14:40									#12
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All he's asking for is a little respect. Soldiers put their lives on the line, fighting for those who can't (or won't). The soldier is fighting for a cause. He fights for his friends and family. He fights for his country. He fights for his and his fellow citizen's freedoms. Yes, the soldier is just a man. And there are many jerks in the military. There are many idiots too. But they're putting their asses on the line to protect you. I don't blame him for being pissed when some little two-bit punk, who has never experienced real life or done anything worthwhile, comes up and insults his honor. Show some ****ing respect or shut up!

	22-12-2001 14:43									#13
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Well, to be fair, he blasts people who say they're not interested in the military. If he wants respect, he has to start respecting others that have different ideologies than he has.

Serving in the military doesn't automatically make him a hero or worthy of respect. By default, it does. But he's been such an ass to me about my thoughts on not joining the service that he lost my respect a while ago.

	22-12-2001 14:49									#14
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Dashi actually that's one of the main reasons I respect people like Slowwhand, Chris 62, MtG and Sikander. Because they have served.

I respect them despite disagreeing with them on many issues.


(that means I'll declare my disagreement but I will never offend them - be provocative to them)

	22-12-2001 15:09									#15
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Dashi actually that's one of the main reasons I respect people like Slowwhand, Chris 62, MtG and Sikander. Because they have served. I respect them despite disagreeing with them on many issues. (that means I'll declare my disagreement but I will never offend them - be provocative to them)

Is fighting for your country The True American Thing to do?

	22-12-2001 15:12									#16
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it is about putting your life on the line for your country infat. It doesn't have to do with wether you are an american or a greek or whatever.

	22-12-2001 15:15									#17
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 it is about putting your life on the line for your country infat. It doesn't have to do with wether you are an american or a greek or whatever.

I'd fight for several things, but not a scrap of land with imaginary borders.

	22-12-2001 15:15									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's I'd fight for several things, but not a scrap of land with imaginary borders.

How about your freedom?

	22-12-2001 15:17									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Asher How about your freedom?

Depends. I wouldn't fight for the paranoid American idea of freedom, anyway.

	22-12-2001 15:18									#20
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The thing about Canada is the only country that can realistically invade us is America. And if that happened, I'd actually not care at all. I can't decide which is worse: Chretien or Bush. So I doubt I'd notice any difference. I think most Canadians think the same way, which is why we effectively have no military.

	22-12-2001 15:18									#21
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democracy, freedom, human rights. These are the three things worth dying for in my book. (you would notice that the word 'country' is nowhere to be found in these words).


However, when your country is in danger of extermination and is not democratic what are you going to do? just abandon it? or fight for it and then fight some more untill it is free and democratic?


so don't perster me with things I have thought about milenia before you did infat

	22-12-2001 15:28									#22
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 democracy, freedom, human rights. These are the three things worth dying for in my book. (you would notice that the word 'country' is nowhere to be found in these words). However, when your country is in danger of extermination and is not democratic what are you going to do? just abandon it? or fight for it and then fight some more untill it is free and democratic? so don't perster me with things I have thought about milenia before you did infat

Exactly Asher. The only countries with militaries capable of beating the UK in order to have an invasion are from freedom-loving countries anyway.

Paiktis, what's the point in dying for democracy? I'd prefer to be alive in a less democratic country than six feet under.

	22-12-2001 15:30									#23
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that's a choice one makes.

	22-12-2001 15:31									#24
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quote: Originally posted by DaShi Soldiers put their lives on the line, fighting for those who can't (or won't). The soldier is fighting for a cause.

Surely? IIRC most people in the US armed forces see it as just another career. Wasn't some of them a bit surprised that they acutally had to fight in Afghanistan?

	22-12-2001 15:34									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Surely? IIRC most people in the US armed forces see it as just another career. Wasn't some of them a bit surprised that they acutally had to fight in Afghanistan?

Yes, that was an American.

	22-12-2001 16:07									#26
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand I want to set you straight on something, bumpkin. Without someone serving in the military, you would be up to your ass in alligators. If you don't want to serve, that's one thing, but to make such an ignorant comment lie you did is disgusting. Had I to do over again, I'd turn people like you over to the oppresor in a heart beat. I'm sick to death of hearing little spoon fed babes talk such ignorant trash. You know who you are, and I feel not at all uncomfortable telling you to stick it where the sun doesn't shine. If you don't agree, tough. I've had worse on my eyeball; and been called much worse by much better people than your little pampered ass.

Well from my personal experience, it is only because they can't get a job doing anything else

	22-12-2001 20:37									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Is fighting for your country The True American Thing to do?

Sprechen Sie Deutsch?

edit: This just in. Once again, Dookie couldn't get laid last night, so he's in one of his special moods.

	22-12-2001 20:42									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Surely? IIRC most people in the US armed forces see it as just another career. Wasn't some of them a bit surprised that they acutally had to fight in Afghanistan?

Funny how you can pick one example and claim that represents "most" of nearly one million people.

	22-12-2001 21:49									#29
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It seems quite ironic that a tough ex-military man gets all hissy and pissy because someone disses the military. You're made of sterner stuff, soldier, I know it.

	22-12-2001 21:52									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Asher We've been through this with SlowwHand before. He's being kinda egocentric, but that's to be expected with Texans.

That's too nice. We're talking about SlowwHand after all