09-01-2002 23:46									#181
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So line the roads with speed cameras.

	09-01-2002 23:57									#182
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Are you nuts, IW?

	10-01-2002 00:08									#183
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That is a subject of some debate. It is possible.

	10-01-2002 00:27									#184
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quote: Andy is right. Concentration is lost in people constantly keeping their eye open for a speed camera. Accidents can be caused by people seeing a camera and slamming on their brakes. Nice concept, but in practice, not that functional. All that happens is that people get used to their location, speed everywhere else except where the camera is and slow down. .......... So line the roads with speed cameras.

The next generation of cameras are designed to take digital photos of all cars, regardless of speed, at two points on a stretch of road. They then match up vehicles in the two pictures, and use the time between photos, and distance between cameras to determine the average speed - not the momentary speed. Slamming on you brakes would not acheive anything.

	10-01-2002 00:44									#185
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quote: Slamming on you brakes would not acheive anything.

Uh, of course it would. It would reduce your average speed, right?

	10-01-2002 00:49									#186
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin The next generation of cameras are designed to take digital photos of all cars, regardless of speed, at two points on a stretch of road. They then match up vehicles in the two pictures, and use the time between photos, and distance between cameras to determine the average speed - not the momentary speed. Slamming on you brakes would not acheive anything.

No. Speed cameras have a speed sensor and a camera. If the sensor detects a high speed, it will take two photos at set times and they can be used to calculate the speed you were travelling at by using the white markings on the road (modern cameras just don't need the road markings and are digital so they don't need a conventional camera). They are still the same, if you spot the grey box, slow down!

	10-01-2002 00:54									#187
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Uh, of course it would. It would reduce your average speed, right?

If you average 70kph for 1km and then brake to 50kph about 50m before you reach the cameras your average speed is about 69kph.

That braking acheived little.

	10-01-2002 00:56									#188
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Oh, OK I understand now.

	10-01-2002 00:59									#189
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quote: No. Speed cameras have a speed sensor and a camera

The ones I outlined are being used in trials, mainly on dual carriageways and stretches of motorway - just to get around the very thing you mentioned. There was a whole load about it in the local paper.

If successful they will be expanded.

	10-01-2002 01:17									#190
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I've never seen the point of being bothered about dual carriageways and motorways. People speed routinely on the things and very few accidents happen anyway. Seems a bit pointless.

	10-01-2002 01:27									#191
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison I've never seen the point of being bothered about dual carriageways and motorways. People speed routinely on the things and very few accidents happen anyway. Seems a bit pointless.

Accidents are not particular high, but imposing\adhering to speed limits (usually variable speed limits) on motorways reduces the likelihood of traffic jams. A number of studies have proved this.

	10-01-2002 01:39									#192
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I appreciate that, but this is only at certain points, hence the speed limits are reduced when there is heavy traffic flow, and that seems reasonable. But for the large part, motorways are quiet so there isn't a problem. Besides, no one ever seems to obey speed limits on motorways anyway, they may as well abolish them, except in that circumstance.

	10-01-2002 01:55									#193
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I was racing this girl from my college home today (she foolishly thought her Nova would slaughter my Maestro ) I manage to pull out of the college car park quicker than her and was ahead until the turning into a back road which leads out of Taunton, the cheeky cow went on the wrong side of the road turning the corner cutting me up and making faces in the rear view mirror

So anyway I keep pace with her (she can't corner, heh) most of the way back and she starts to pull ahead, she has forgotten the speed camera is round the next bend she takes the corner pretty fast as I slow down, she sees the camera stands on the foot brake while I pop the car into 3rd and start to pull out, I overtake her as she tried to accelerate in 5th gear from 40

(Thank chirst for the camera, losing a race to a girl would have been a bit much)

	10-01-2002 01:58									#194
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No wonder my premiums are so high.

	10-01-2002 02:11									#196
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin No wonder my premiums are so high.

If Eagle Star Direct had their way, mine would be higher. Three years in a row they have offered a quote that is double anyone else's. How do these buffoons stay in business. When my renewal quote is £500, why are they trying to offer me £1000 and then justifying I get free car hire if my car is written off. Well, erm love, so does mine!

	11-01-2002 00:22									#197
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Wow, this thread moved. Expect Ecthelion to post in it more from now on.

	11-01-2002 00:28									#198
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What the frig are you talking about, IW?

	11-01-2002 01:20									#199
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PH, care to continue the discussion about cars and traffic, or given the relocation, should the thread be steered back to the meeting on Feb 9th?

	11-01-2002 01:46									#200
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So... just checking. People still planning to come to Reading on the 8th?

	11-01-2002 09:44									#201
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Can you tell me how to get, how to get to Sesame Street...?

	11-01-2002 15:10									#202
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Yes, go to Reading. Phone me. Easy.

	11-01-2002 18:03									#203
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Yes, we are most certainly still coming over Mike, no problem there. We should be there at some point on Friday and will bugger off 'oop North some point on Sunday!

	11-01-2002 18:40									#204
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Cool. I'll be working on Friday, get home around 6 but if you want to arrive earlier to avoid the traffic I can point you to somewhere to park and a pub...

	11-01-2002 22:57									#205
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I'm sure there's a Wetherspoons about somewhere...

	11-01-2002 23:59									#206
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Yeah, we'll set of during the daytime. I may pop into Oxford to visit some old friends on the daytime on the way

	12-01-2002 00:00									#207
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But alas, Oxford does not have a Wetherspoons

	12-01-2002 00:45									#208
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Did that really need two posts?

Reading does... apparentely... perhaps even two or three.

	12-01-2002 00:50									#209
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I just forgot to put it all on the first post.

Yeah, well we can have our drinkies out in Reading, should be fun!

	12-01-2002 07:07									#210
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Yep, should be fun!