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Some of us are attempting, at this time, to reopen a dialog with Firaxis for the purpose of ascertaining their intentions with respect to many of our concerns, including the one you've mentioned. We don't know at this time whether Firaxis is reading the thread.
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Nobody at Firaxis is paid to surf the Civ 3 sites being helpful so the only place you can expect them to respond is in the "Ask the civ team" column. |
That stands in direct contradiction to Dan's own statement found in the thread. They aren't paid, but they do surf. These days, they seem particularly fond of... well... sites where there is an abundance of Intelgamesish users.
Furthermore, the thread I referenced opens a dialog without undue criticism and gives Firaxians a way to reenter while saving face. The crux of it is this: if they were willing to admit they were wrong in making overreaching promises, they might be willing to admit they were wrong in deciding to shut everyone out completely. It seems reasonable to position one's business in a less extremist stance.
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Libertarian
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Ripped into Dan? 
Do you mean this, where I applauded him?
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First and foremost, I applaud Dan for the plain and unequivocal language. |
Or this, where I acknowledged his openness to the community?
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As I see it, this means that Firaxis has not closed its mind to the playing community. |
Or this, where I extended him my empathy?
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In fairness to Dan, I wonder whether his problem is that the questions are so spread out all over the boards. |
Or this, where I accepted culpability for being ignored?
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I don't doubt that I appear to be a person whose mind is made up. |
Or this, where I extended sympathy for the obvious plight of Firaxis developers?
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My heart truly goes out to developers who must work under these conditions. |
Or this, where I believe I summarized fairly the theme of Dan's statement?
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What they don't want to do is make any statements that can be perceived as promises of delivery. |
Or this, where I opened a door to allow him to assuage our concerns?
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Between those two extremes, I think you will find that people like me, Venger, Yin, and others, would greatly appreciate something along these lines: We agree with you that unit movement is responsible for a lot of late-game tedium, and that is one of the items that we're looking at, but here is why it might be problematic [...snip...]. |
Or perhaps, was it a later remark after the Opening Post, like this admission of error?
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Fair enough, Mark. I stand corrected [that I twisted Dan's words]. |
Or this, where I reiterated the point of the thread?
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I want to make it clear here to anyone willing to listen that I am not baiting, nor complaining, nor trying to do anything at all other than resurrect my hope for some communication with Firaxis. |
Could it be this repentance for my behavior?
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I believe that the points made about my abrasiveness with respect to Firaxis are correct. |
Or this, where I offered to mitigate any inconvenience Dan might encounter in searching out the open questions and concerns?
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Instead, I will offer to compile the compendium that I mentioned earlier if I can be assured that the effort won't be wasted. |
Or this, where I once again stated my intention?
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My hope was that this thread would be a peace offering to Firaxis, a hatchet burying experience where those of us who have complained (and we are NOT a few; we are legion) can open our minds and allow Firaxis to answer the unanswered questions and shine some light on our rampant ignorance and speculation about what they might or might not be considering for a patch. |
All in all, Shaggy, I fail see how you infered that I had ripped Dan a new one. Speaking of minds already made up...
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You're entitled to your opinion, but I never mentioned any apology.
When a man stands accused of ulterior intentions by nothing more than a random assertion, there ought to be far fewer counterexamples than these. I stand by my post. I felt it was necessary to prove the accusation false.
Once again, we tend to see whatever it is that we're looking for.
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Kautilya
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St Louis, MO
Feb 2000
time: 23:17
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Um Libertarian,
Let's see. You trash Firaxis and Civ3 week after week. Then you turn around and try to build a relationship. Sorry but the real world doesn't work that way. Most likely Firaxis has put you on the ignore list. There are plenty of intelligent fans who are willing to discuss the game rationally without abusing the developers and the game; Firaxis just doesn't have any incentive to put up with your behaviour, or Yin's or Venger's.
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Libertarian
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With all due respect, I believe that it is a decision for Dan and others at Firaxis to make: ought they to put forth the small effort to find out why their biggest fan turned against them or no? An acute business professional would sense a great opportunity.
We'll see.
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Libertarian
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No, I am not.
Does anyone have Dan's e-mail address?
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Kautilya
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St Louis, MO
Feb 2000
time: 23:17
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Libertarian,
Like I suspected you seem to have an exaggerated opinion of your importance.
The fact is that you don't have any profound insights that Firaxis can't live without; your complaints have been voiced often by more reasonable people. Firaxis has no reason to put up with your rudeness. Face up to this and move on.
Perhaps you will have learnt a lesson and you will be more polite the next time you are in a similar situation with some other game.
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08-01-2002 15:44
Are you four years old!
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