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ProvostHarrison is offline ProvostHarrison
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Jan 2002
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I am on here to post a few words regarding the events of yesterday evening, and why I am not satisfied with the result, and thus, why I will not be returning to Apolyton after this incident. For a long time has Giancarlo being a menace to the gay people of this forum, despite the fact on ICQ he has confessed his homosexuality, and then continued his tirade of abuse towards the homosexual members of this community, and when taken to task about it and his confession, he has constantly lied and covered up. So I am more than prepared to deal with him in a similar unpleasant basis.

So to my complete surprise last night I find I have been given a 2 week vacation and 10% PCR, to which I immediately object most strongly, but to no avail or reasoning. I consider this to be extremely unreasonable, even an insult. In the light of these events, I feel that the only decent thing for me to do will be withdraw from this site permanently under protest. I am not prepared to be treated like a schoolchild for dealing out treatment to those who deserve it for their, quite frankly, hateful remarks.

It has been a pleasure posting here, but I won’t be here much longer. Of course, you can find me at the Civilization Gaming Network or Counterglow, but not here. I do hope you will all try and stay in touch with me via ICQ: 77735606 AIM: riiiiiich MSN: riiiiiich@passport.com E-mail: R.Harrison@medschool.hull.ac.uk

So I’ll see ya around, and could an appropriate mod/admin please delete the Provost Harrison handle, the ProvostHarrison handle used for this thread and you’ll see no more of me.

MattHiggs is offline MattHiggs
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Apr 2000
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I hardly post here anyway, but I tried to post yesterday to find I was banned. Absolutely no contact was made with me to tell me why for like 2 weeks or however long it was I was banned for. It's plainly ridiculous, and I hope we can stay in touch.

Immortal Wombat is offline Immortal Wombat
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WOW! Harsh. Cya next month.

You won't even come back for Civ4?

Evan von Christoph is offline Evan von Christoph
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Giancarlo will burn for this! (well for other things too, but I felt like repeating this).

Chris 62 is offline Chris 62
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Jan 2001
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Should have linked the thread, but I can't say I'm surprised.

Gianni is a goof, but far to many people single him out, like Spinky last week, or Boshko that time, so I think they have decided to make some examples to stop these attacks.

If some people do leave, the face of poly will change, it seems.

Bosh is offline Bosh
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"Boshko that time"
Hey! All I did was quote BAM

Anyway, sorry to see you go PH

ColdWizard is offline ColdWizard
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Feb 2000
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IMHO, your punishment was deserved and I don't think you should leave because of it.

you're not upset about the loss of deity status are you?

Ming is offline Ming
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If some people do leave, the face of poly will change, it seems.


Life is all about change... and people leave all the time. Many well known posters have come and gone, and life goes on

PH is welcome to do whatever he wishes. Giancarlo has been restricted repeatedly for his attacks... and will probably eventually earn himself a perm ban just like CivNation did.

But two wrongs don't make a right. If you have a problem with a posters comments... you can complain to a mod or admin... that's how many people do it. But continuing to flame in return... or to instigate it... that is just wrong. Even in this thread, PH continues his attacks under the cover of "this isn't fair"...

Lefty Scaevola is offline Lefty Scaevola
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Oct 2000
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I am not prepared to be treated like a schoolchild for dealing out treatment to those who deserve it .


You and others (more bans than just 2 were earned in that thread) were certainly acting like school children. My 12 year son is MUCH better behaved and not cruel to thoses currently in the social outcast niche. Your ridiculous protest of your more than deserved penalty (based on more than one post, and more than one offense, threadjacking and spam among them) is even more tiresome than your glee in puerile torment, and those twith some perspicacity know that the real sting for you is the PCR, which reduced your ego from deity to emperor. Its well overdue that cruel children and regressed ought to be adults get some of the rod around here. I am tired of them stinking up the place, and am pleased that you will be having a sabbatical or exile so that your social behavior can catch up to your age and education. Drown in your silly self pity and false victimhood , if you so chose; if there is real justice in the world your cruelty will come back to bite you.

Glaringly harsh and judgmentally yours

Gaius Mucius Scaevola

ps. I could really REALLY get into this punishment business*smacks lips*, if only my children were as badly behaved as many posters here.

Last edited by Lefty Scaevola on 15-01-2002 at 23:05

*End Is Forever* is offline *End Is Forever*
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Jan 1970
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Rich has asked me to post something...

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Hey Matt, you have me on ICQ/MSN, so I will still be in touch.

IW, if this issue isn't resolved satisfactorily regarding Giancarlo, no, I will not return. I am just monitoring this thread for the response of the admin at the moment.

ColdWizard, the postcount is irrelevent here, it is the principle of the matter which I am not prepared to back down. He is such a little bigot yet is allowed to get away with it time and time again, he has offended so many people on this forum with his homophobic and nasty comments. I'll take what he deals out and give him ten times as much back and see if he retreats. I resent being taken to task on this matter by the moderators of this place. He should have been permanently banned for his comments long since. He is an evil little monster.

General Ludd is offline General Ludd
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Aug 2001
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Provost may of gone over the top and acted childish, but he was faced with Giancarlo - who goes way over the top, in almost every single one of his posts. I don't know why Giancarlo gets even an ounce of respect around here (or is it just pity?). I doubt a neo-nazi or KKK member would last more then 2 minutes before being banned for life - but apparently it's more exceptable to hate gays.

Lefty Scaevola is offline Lefty Scaevola
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Oct 2000
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"He is an evil little monster"
as opposed to to an evil, older, larger, self rightious (I do not mind that part, not being hypocritical , but it is a fault in the view of others here), self deluded, better educated, more egotistical monster,
both of which received restrictions and PCRs. PH, you have vigorously protested every critisism handed out to you (thousands of posts of "I'll have a cherryade" isn't spam!, I am not a spammer!). You not only again display egositical denial within this thread that the rules apply to you, but also post it in two forums and use a DL to avoid a ban, because you cannot wait two weeks to whine, two balck letter violations. Yet you remain convinced that you can do no wrong. Well think again until your highly trained intellect gets it right.

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ColdWizard is offline ColdWizard
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PH: this (as posted by Ming) pretty much sums up my view on the giancarlo subject:
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But two wrongs don't make a right. If you have a problem with a posters comments... you can complain to a mod or admin... that's how many people do it. But continuing to flame in return... or to instigate it... that is just wrong.


but your line involving the choking seems (to me anyway) to be overly graphic for these forums (as Mark and Dan have declared Apolyton to be a family friendly forum), funny ( ) but over the line and worthy (along with the flaming, IMHO) of the punishment you were given.

OneFootInTheGrave is offline OneFootInTheGrave
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Nov 2000
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What is that?

GP, Provost, Paktis... bohooo

exodus

anything wrong with this place?

*End Is Forever* is offline *End Is Forever*
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More from Rich...

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Lefty, you first, most certainly:

You obviously don't know much about me, or the nastiness that has gone on with regards to Giancarlo and the **** he has dealt out. Yes, I will use my 'superior education' if you will to counter him, give him a taste of his own medicine. But he isn't going to understand these silly, meaningless PCRs and bans. Complete and utter ridicule may make him question his actions and comments, as nothing else has worked. My cruelty eh? Jesus, have you seen some of the sh*t he has said against homosexual pictures, they way he has wound up red_jon. And you expect me just to be 'nice to him' when he starts on one of his little trips. I don't think so.

His parents obviously haven't done a good job. Perhaps a bit of peer pressure will help, because when he is out in the real world, god help him. Contrary to your belief, I am quite a functional member of society and am well balanced. I certainly do not think it is your place to stand in judgement of me using the most superficial of evidence. I am standing firm on this one, even if it means I never return to the place again, which may not be a bad thing judging by what people are like.

Oh, and regarding my 'bitter resistance' to other punishments handed down: I have only ever being the recipient of one other punishment over the Area 25 incident. And if you check back, you will find that it is me who accepted it as fair punishment and was telling others to accept it, not the other way round. Get your facts straight before you start flinging mud at me!

Ming:

I don't see any change in Giancarlo's conduct for all your bannings. The same applies as what I have said above. He has repeatedly being unpleasant away from Apolyton too. So if he starts on one of his little episodes again, well excuse me if I give him a taste of his own medicine. I don't like him one little bit, he shouldn't be here spreading his poison. But it seems you are tolerant of a nasty homophobe but would rather get rid of me for longer. Well that's just fine.

ColdWizard is offline ColdWizard
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paitkis and GP have become addicted and have entered the Apolyton detox program. Provost's reasons are mentioned above.

Ecthy is offline Ecthy
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Mar 2000
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I'm sorry guys but on this matter I just can't but laugh

And I know what I'm doing; as a non-Brit, I've been able to watch the behaviour of the island folk pretty well, and I made up my own picture of English people. And I must say this incident is just serving better than anything else could do.

After all the time I've spent with Provost on the forums and on ICQ, there is only 2 emoticons that halfway apply to my mood:



BTW, I've been on the "detox" thing myself, just noone cares. I've done it long time before GP got famous for doing it, he's just another Anglo-Saxon with a tendency to present himself as a bright angel

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I'm sorry but this is just stupid. If PH is going to get prissy becuase of a punishment he richly deserved all I have to say to him is good riddance.

Ecthy is offline Ecthy
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so true, DD, so true

would never have thought I'd ever agree with you on something like this

we need a :rotflmao: smilie, the is just too... average

Lefty Scaevola is offline Lefty Scaevola
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"prior penalties" phrase above investigated and edited, old man's fading memory confused "I am not a spammer" and "Its okay to bash people because of their religion" episodes with "I am not guilty":

"a taste of his own mediciene" I can understand, I aplied the same technique to PH when he was on a christian bashing binge. I, however, do not believe it in this case, I believe it was more about wanton cruelty. In any case irrelevant to threadjacking, spam, acting in violation of repeated earlier warning and bannings handed on prior episodes (to several others, and maybe PH?) on the Giancarlo issue.

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Now I realise I am pretty much a newbie (this time around anyway) who only hangs out in the OT forum, and that therefore my opinion doesn't count for much but still...

I think the penalties are too harsh. I realise that this is a privately-owned forum, and that we can't really complain about what is basically a free service. Still, a couple of days in the tank would've done fine for both of them. Some of the remarks went slightly over the top, but these kind of confrontations is what make the OT forum fun. I realise that some of the remarks made might have been PG-13 or even 15 rated, and that they were not suitable for this forum.

I also don't think that Giancarlo should be banned for homophobic remarks. Ad hominem attacks maybe, general statements of his personal beliefs and ideologies, no; it is not exactly like he's trying to convince people of his beliefs. Guess I just belief in free speech, no matter what.

Just my two eurocents.

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PH is welcome to do whatever he wishes. Giancarlo has been restricted repeatedly for his attacks... and will probably eventually earn himself a perm ban just like CivNation did.


Why was civnation banned?

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Come on PH, don't be silly... Take it like a man!

Sure, Giancarlo is a f*cked up little man, but he won't change because of your bullying (and I thought that had gone far enough months ago). Moreover, most of the times Giancarlo's homophobia pops up is when everyone does the gay-thing on him. Just leave it alone, he'll grow over it. Your remarks will only make it worse.

And as for your remarks towards Lefty. You don't know Giancarlo any more than Lefty knows you so what's your point?

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Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola
"prior penalties" phrase above investigated and edited, old man's fading memory confused "I am not a spammer" and "Its okay to bash people because of their religion" episodes with "I am not guilty":

"a taste of his own mediciene" I can understand, I aplied the same technique to PH when he was on a christian bashing binge. I, however, do not believe it in this case, I believe it was more about wanton cruelty. In any case irrelevant to threadjacking, spam, acting in violation of repeated earlier warning and bannings handed on prior episodes (to several others, and maybe PH?) on the Giancarlo issue.


what are you talking about? (especially in the first paragraph)

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It seems strange people having a whinge about a banning decision when it doesn't involve me.

I actually think PH deserved a Post Count increase for his comments, and Giancarlo shouldn't be banned as he is one of few entertaining people on Apolyton.

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I don't see any change in Giancarlo's conduct for all your bannings. The same applies as what I have said above. He has repeatedly being unpleasant away from Apolyton too. So if he starts on one of his little episodes again, well excuse me if I give him a taste of his own medicine. I don't like him one little bit, he shouldn't be here spreading his poison. But it seems you are tolerant of a nasty homophobe but would rather get rid of me for longer. Well that's just fine.


First... what happens away from Apolyton is your problem to deal with... not Apolytons. And it is"obvious" that you don't like him.
But that doesn't give you the "RIGHT" to attack him here.

No, we aren't "tolerant" of a nasty homophobe... that is just an ignorant comment. He has been banned many times for just that. And if he continues... he will end up just like CivNation.
So I laugh at your petty attempts to take the high ground.
You are almost as bad as him. Your hate consumes you. And you let it effect you. It's YOUR PROBLEM... deal with it. Your "poison" of hate is almost as bad as his... Look in a mirror and except your own mistakes and failings...

If you don't want to come back... fine... your choice...
But then why do you keep giving your messages to somebody else to post for you.

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"Your hate consumes you"?

Have you been watching too much Star Wars again?

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quote:
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"Your hate consumes you"?

Have you been watching too much Star Wars again?



Well... now that you mention it...

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