23-01-2002 04:42									#1
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Now the Belgian parliament decided that Shimon Peres should be trialed for the bombing of Lebanese territory during "Grapes of Rage" operation, consisting of bombing Lebanese territory during 1995, as a relataliation for Hezballah activity and especially shelling Katyusha missiles on Israeli cities.

This seems very politicized since this was a military act, in response to para-military terrorist activity from Lebanese territory, by Lebanese terrorists.

If they try Peres, they should try the Brittish for bombing German cities during WWII.

Currently there's a case awaiting against Ariel Sharon for his responsibility in the Sabra & Shatilla massacare, though he has already been trialed by a special Israeli investigation court.

This is also very politicized, since the Commander of the Christian Phalanges, the man directly responsible for the massacare is not tried, and IIRC is currently a minister in Lebanon


What next?

How about more deserving trials:

Trialing British PMs for Bloody Sunday?
Trialing Clinton for Sudan?
Trialing Bush for Afghanistan?


Or is Israel the only one disallowed to protect itself?

	23-01-2002 04:50									#2
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quote: Trialing Bush for Afghanistan?

Hope so.

	23-01-2002 04:50									#3
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Just smile and wave.


And if they try anything, let the Mossad have at them.

	23-01-2002 04:53									#4
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Don't forget to try Canada for burning Washington in the war of 1812!

	23-01-2002 04:54									#5
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That would be an attack against a NATO state. You know what that means.

Canada didn't burn Washington, that was the Brits.

	23-01-2002 05:13									#6
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Just kidnap some Belgian leaders and put them on trial for being anti-Semites and *******s. In the mean time, try to figure out that in English, the Belgian officials dirtying their pants and begging for mercy are going to be tried, not "trialed" when the plane lands at Ben Gurion airport.

	23-01-2002 05:14									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Kyle Just smile and wave.

We do that, but frankly Israeli politicians look really ugly when they smile.

quote: And if they try anything, let the Mossad have at them.

Naah.
It's tied up with the UN

You know that according to the families of the 3 kidnapped and conisdered dead Israeli soldiers, on the tape recording dragging of Hezballa vehicales by UN, calls are heard in english "f*ck the jews" and such?

And then say they weren't cooperating

quote: That would be an attack against a NATO state. You know what that means.

You really think we're as primitive and stupid to "attack" belgium for being stupid?

We've already dispatched our deadliest and most attrocious weapon against Belgium.

Lawyers.

We should hire Johny Cockren or something

quote: Just kidnap some Belgian leaders and put them on trial for being anti-Semites and *******s.

Why, Natan, that would be .... not nice

quote: Canada didn't burn Washington, that was the Brits.

I say burn the brits!

	23-01-2002 06:06									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Natan Just kidnap some Belgian leaders and put them on trial for being anti-Semites and *******s. In the mean time, try to figure out that in English, the Belgian officials dirtying their pants and begging for mercy are going to be tried, not "trialed" when the plane lands at Ben Gurion airport.

Yes, please kidnap these two guys.

We don't want them back.

	23-01-2002 12:15									#9
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” Now the Belgian parliament decided that Shimon Peres should be trialed for...”

Where did you get that from? Since I don’t have a clue of what you’re talking about mentioning your source would come in handy.

	23-01-2002 12:59									#10
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I heard about that on the radio yesterday morning (so it wasn't just Israel), but haven't found any links.

	23-01-2002 14:42									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Colon ” Now the Belgian parliament decided that Shimon Peres should be trialed for...” Where did you get that from? Since I don’t have a clue of what you’re talking about mentioning your source would come in handy.

Israeli news site : news.walla.co.il

click on the story with the picture of peres and learn hebrew

	23-01-2002 14:43									#12
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Siro:

"for the bombing of Lebanese territory"

Terrorist positions, or civilian targets in Beirut ?

Apart from that, while it is a positive development that international is enforced also against heads of states and the like, there is the risk of creating a jurisdiction anarchy.

Just consider Clinton under Sharia law.

	23-01-2002 16:40									#13
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http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/p...l?itemNo=120529 has the story in English

	23-01-2002 16:51									#14
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So not the "belgian parliament", but some lawmakers.
They have not "decided", but stated an opinion.
And notheing's been "decided" yet, at all.

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	23-01-2002 19:05									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Natan Just kidnap some Belgian leaders and put them on trial for being anti-Semites and *******s.

Because, not be agree with Israel means to be anti-Semites ?
wow !

BTW, the idea to trial Shimon Peres is really ... uh ... wierd.
If we do for Shimon, then a lot of president, minister or general in many countries deserve it.

Seems that Belgium ministers haven't no internal works to do...

	23-01-2002 20:04									#18
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People here said that Sharon should be trialed for the deaths of those 5 Palestinian children.
Then why shouldnt Peres be trialed for the death of 100 innocents?

Also, France considers suing Israel for damages done to infrastructure that was built with EU money. Estimated of 13,000,000$.

	23-01-2002 20:59									#19
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In Belgium(like most modern nations) are the politic powers and the legal powers quite completely separated.

Based on Belgian law may the parlement not interfere with by any possible means with the legal power.

the fact that some induviduals use the Belgian court to try to sue Israel has nothing to do with the governement. Most people of the Belgian governement disagree with that trial but because of the separtaion between legal and political power can't they interfere at all.

Most of the governement are thinking of changing some Belgian laws to makes things like that no longer possible without the premission of the parlement(from who most where against the court against Sharon)

It is not the Belgian goverment or nation who is organizing this trial but some moslims who live in Belgium, that's a big difference. The Belgian governement can't stop this trial without removing the separtaion between legal and political power from the constitution doing that would take many years and would be a very big mistake and most likley the end of the Belgian democracy.

	23-01-2002 21:20									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Burn Jews!

I thought you were going to behave from now on...

	23-01-2002 21:51									#21
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quote: Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior Because, not be agree with Israel means to be anti-Semites ? wow !

There's a reason I put a smiley on the post.

Seems to me that the Belgian legislature could just repeal the law they passed which gives Belgium jurisdiction over all people in all places. IMHO, they should before someone decides to mount a military operation to rescue those abducted by the Belgian courts.

Oh, and it's a total outrage and vile double standard that these guys come back from Lebanon and demand that Peres be tried while saying not a peep about Hassan Nasrallah, Hezbollah leader and international terrorist.

Burn Boddington!

	23-01-2002 21:58									#22
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"Seems to me that the Belgian legislature could just repeal the law they passed which gives Belgium jurisdiction over all people in all places. IMHO, they should before someone decides to mount a military operation to rescue those abducted by the Belgian courts."

No one said anything about active enforcement outside belgian sovereign territory. That is a speciality of the US and Israel.

In global jurisdiction, their biggest problem may be the competition by US courts. As a compromise, criminal trials in Belgium, tort claims in the US ?

Seriously though, I assume there is no such law repealable. Universal jurisdiction in certain cases is part of international law, and as such takes precendence over domestic law. Might take a constitutional amendment to "repeal" this.

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Better behaved huh?

	24-01-2002 01:56									#24
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As long as Peres or Sharon don't set foot in Belgian territory, they're fine. If they do come on Belgian territory they might be forced to defend themselves against these claims in court.

But who wants to go to Belgium anyway?

	24-01-2002 02:03									#25
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Peres seems to me to be the only man in ME politics with any brains or humanity...

	24-01-2002 02:27									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Eli Also, France considers suing Israel for damages done to infrastructure that was built with EU money. Estimated of 13,000,000$.

13,000,000 Euro ?
No so important. What was the infrastrures ?

	24-01-2002 02:29									#27
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quote: Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior 13,000,000 Euro ? No so important. What was the infrastrures ?

Didn't the Israelis destroy part of the Gaza Strip sea port? i think that was funded by the EU.

	24-01-2002 02:33									#28
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Was the royal house of Belgium ever properly tried for it's atrocities in Africa? You know they were largely responsible for the wholesale land grab of Africa by the various European nations in the 1880s. It seems that when stories of how the Belgians were torturing Africans in order to persuade them to work on their plantations and mines the other nations of Europe rushed to protect the rest of Africa by scarfing up all of the "free" land. Perhaps it's time for President Bush to announce the beginning of "Operation Way Too Long Delayed Justice'".

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quote: Didn't the Israelis destroy part of the Gaza Strip sea port? i think that was funded by the EU.

yup

	24-01-2002 02:34									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Burn Jews!

One more like that, and you're gone for another week. Or shall I make it two to get the point across this time?