25-01-2002 00:07									#1
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This map is Soufie's world map, with correct starting locations for all 16 civs, modded slightly to include a few more resources, although playing with all 16 civs would leave a quite resource sparse map. It's probably best played with about 9 or 10 Civs.

Big thanks to Soufie and Gramphos for doing all the hard work.

Everything that you need should be in the .zip file.

Edit: (again)

Some of you have siad that you have problems downloading files, and what you get when you click to download is a dialogue box, that offers to save it as a document called "attatchement".

What you need to do is save the file as it's proper name (which is important when your unzipper reads the archive).

This file's proper name is: earth_standard_size_v1-04.zip

Rather than saving this as a document, you MUST also save it as a *.* which is one of the options in the drop-down menu underneath. (clikw where it says document, and the other option I got was *.* use that instead.

If this really doesn't work, I've put a copy on my webspace. This should work, it worked for me, but let me know if you still have problems. The address is below. I wouldn't recommend using it out of choice, download it from apolyton first, but this is an alternative if you really can't get it to work.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/malcol..._size_v1-04.zip

______________VERSION HISTORY _________________
v1.02: uses version 1.02 of Gramphos' CPT utility to resolve issues where the number of Civs is less than 16.

v1.03: ...

v1.04: updated to use v1.04 of gramphos' CPT utility to resolve compatability issues with the v1.17f patch for the game.


Pingu:

Attachment: earth_standard_size_v1-04.zip
This has been downloaded 1692 time(s).

Last edited by Pingu: on 18-02-2002 at 15:10

	04-02-2002 08:55									#2
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Every time I try to download this file, all I get is a useless file named "attachment"...

caralampio

	04-02-2002 09:58									#3
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bumpidy

	04-02-2002 21:11									#4
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when the dialogue box comes up to save the .zip file, specifically call it earth_standard_size.zip as the .zip file knows what it's meant to be called, so if your internet explorer goes and saves it as something else it won't like it.

This works for me when I had a similar problem, hope it sorts you out too.

Pingu:

	04-02-2002 22:24									#5
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Good work! I've been browsing for something like this ever since I tried playing Marla's huge world map with 16 civs.

Does anyone know how severe the delays are when playing 16 civs on a standard map? As compared to 8 civs on a huge map.

	04-02-2002 22:27									#6
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I'm way up to the late industrial era, and there's virtually no difference between having 8 and 16 civs on a standard map. The version of the map on my hard disk is up to version 5.0 which has some extensive changes yet again, so I'll post this in the near future.

	04-02-2002 23:30									#7
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You should cahnge the file to include v1.02 of CPT, as it fixes a bug when using less civs then 16 in the game.

	04-02-2002 23:58									#8
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quote: Originally posted by copcartman Good work! I've been browsing for something like this ever since I tried playing Marla's huge world map with 16 civs. Does anyone know how severe the delays are when playing 16 civs on a standard map? As compared to 8 civs on a huge map.

Does Marla's map have the right starting locations for each civ? If so, where can I find it? Thanks.

	05-02-2002 00:07									#9
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quote: Originally posted by siredgar Does Marla's map have the right starting locations for each civ? If so, where can I find it? Thanks.

Yes, http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=36212

	05-02-2002 00:21									#10
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I tried to download marlas map and winzip says it is not a valid archive. I changed the name and everything like I had to do to get this file.

	05-02-2002 00:25									#11
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quote: Originally posted by fatboy76 I tried to download marlas map and winzip says it is not a valid archive. I changed the name and everything like I had to do to get this file.

Normally I'd say that you should tru at Civfanatics, but it seems to be down.

	05-02-2002 03:56									#12
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Right, I've tried to download the map as a test, and (using IE 5.something, it works fine on Netscape and Opera at work (Linux though so it should)).

What I get is a dialogue box, that offers to save it as a document called "attatchement".

What you need to do is save the file as it's proper name (which is important when your unzipper reads it's archive).

It's proper name is: earth_standard_size.zip

Rather than saving this as a document, y ou MUST also save it as a *.* which is one of the options in the drop-down menu underneath.


Hope this helps, well it will if you have the same problem as I did, and it sounds like it.



Cheers

Pingu:

	05-02-2002 04:08									#13
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HINT:

I said "I changed the name and everything like I had to do to get this file."

Nice try though brains.

	06-02-2002 18:13									#14
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OK I started a game using this map, although my own location was geographically correct, on turn 2 or 3 I bumped into the Aztecs sitting in England... I did not continue the game...

	07-02-2002 05:35									#15
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You didn't read the thread, did you?

You have to USE the save game editor...jeez

	08-02-2002 00:15									#16
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Yeap! You are Right

	10-02-2002 19:49									#17
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Have updated the file to use v1.02 of Gramphos' CPT utility, this resolves a bug where there's less than 16 Civs in the Game.

Cheers Gramphos.


Pingu:

	11-02-2002 19:43									#18
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I've posted v5.1 of my map to the relevant thread. The starting positions are balanced for gameplay, so you'll need to modify them if you want them to be true to life.

	11-02-2002 21:44									#19
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Thank you for this map with correct starting locations! I guess a map like this will be included in the next patch/x-pack, but who knows when that will be released... I hope they'll include the possiblity to create flat maps as well.

The only drawback of your map I have noticed so far is that historically correct starting positions tend to unbalance the game somewhat, since some civs start on far better spots than others (for example, the Aztecs could have the Americas for themselves, while the Romans would have to compete with the Greeks, English, Germans and French for western Europe). However, this can generally be prevented by selecting the civs carefully.

Good work!

	11-02-2002 22:15									#20
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maps can be flat. It is just not in the editor.

	12-02-2002 19:49									#21
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The historical starting locations are a bit unbalanced I admit, Europe can be very crowded whereas the Iroquois always seem to do really well, (I don't play with the Americans on the map).

There isn't really anything you can do about this, although if you are in Europe and play co-operatively with the other Civs then that may be good?? I don't know though, I haven't played a European power yet, I'll be the English next time though, out of Patriotism of course, and to see if it's fair to them. (Both the English and the Japanese can have the iron works in their capital as a reward for being stuck on a tiny island. That's got a Cultural victory for the Japanese from wonder production power alone, it's quite powerful).

Maybe I should give the Romans their legion unit earlier, or make sure that they can get Iron working very early on... as they seem to do very badly out of the European's.

Cheers

Pingu:

ps. Carlampio, you have used the CPT program that came with the zip file haven't you??? it you have, then you must have been victim of a bug, which shoule now be fixed, so you should probably try again now.

	15-02-2002 03:16									#22
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I really like this map with correct starting locations ,

but with the v1.17f patch it doesn't work anymore.
I follow your "guide" in the readme (save a game as fix.sav, open CPT, locate fix.sav, locate placement file, save as fixed.sav)
But when i try to open the new fixed.sav it can't open it, i even tried again and civ3 crashed.
I hope you (maybe gramphos) can fix it to work with 1.17f, because i like this map .
thanks

	15-02-2002 07:28									#23
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I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THIS IN 15 HOURS

sorry, caps lock on, don't havve timer to edit it.

	18-02-2002 15:05									#24
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Hi Hagbart et al.,
Gramphos has fixed his CPT to work with v1.17f, so I've updated the .zip file to include the new version.

Haven't tested it yet myself, but am just aobut to start a new game. So it should work.
Hope so, trying to load the fixed.sav was crashing my Civ3 too...


Pingu:

	19-02-2002 22:51									#25
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You need to load them in a new version of the editor and then save it.

	20-02-2002 03:45									#26
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Do you?

I thought the problem was more to do with CPT needing some changes to be compatable with the 1.17 patch. With new version of CPT it seems to work fine for me. (that was after I'd loaded the and saved the map once already though, so I wouldn't be able to tell either way).


Pingu:

	24-02-2002 01:33									#27
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thank you, it works fine now

	24-02-2002 01:48									#28
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1.17f uses the same BIC verion as 1.16f, so that shouldn't be a problem.

	26-04-2002 00:18									#29
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Just wanted to note that CPT is updated for 1.21f, so you should update this file.

	26-04-2002 20:51									#30
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Hi.

I did as I was told to in readme file. But when I try to open the fixed.exe It gives me some error like "can not open the file". And when I check the size of fixed.exe it shos 0 KB.
I use the latest pach 1.21f.
Is the map file which I downloaded from most up of this thread updated for 1.21f or do I have to update it somewhere else as Gramphos told below???