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Marla
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Paris, France.
Nov 2001
time: 05:16
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 Yeah, the map is really big: (204x256)
BUT ! Ocean/Land ratio IS respected, which means, that there's around 2 third of water on that map, so, it's actually not that big.
For example, we can expect great battles for Europe (especially that this land is really attractive). 
About NZ, well, looking to the stats I have, main ressources in New Zealand are Aluminium (258 000 t) and Steel (608 000 t)... so I've put Aluminium and Iron on it. And yeah, it's so sad that we can't talk about your 57 million sheeps. 
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Sn00py
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From New Zealand
Aug 2001
time: 13:16
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aiyah, I tried out the map, I played as the Babylonians, started where rome is, had the iroquoi right above me, persians right below me and zulu's in egyptian land. within a matter of minutes I was completely sandwhiched by the iroquoi and persians, forcing me to ooze out cities from the right side into useless Afghanistan, so me, with like 7 cities, and the iroquoi with about 20 (fairly big ones), they got sick of me, thought of me as a waste of space and attacked. that was hard.. real hard..
after a long hard war, I was left with 3 cities being too hard for even 10 mounted warriors to take them, so I figured its a dead game and stopped
but, with all those resources and the way the terrain is layed out, really makes the game so very interesting, so good work
I think Civ3 is better with loads of resources around rather than tiny amounts scattered everywhere.
about NZ, well when I saw how many aluminium resources you put there, I was surprised! I didn't even know NZ had aluminium!!!! I thought we just had sheep, coal, gold and drunk ppl
does it say how much gold NZ has on your stats?
its all along the west coast of the south island, there were gold rushes there in the 1800's, chinese, americans, aussies and kiwis all trying to get at it
now the govt is ripping up small towns to get at billions and billions of dollars worth deep under the ground
sorri for the lack of grammer, haven't slept in a while now.. and can't be bothered to even care, lol
great map
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Marla
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Paris, France.
Nov 2001
time: 05:16
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Thanx Snoop for your post.
I unfortunately agree. Rome is the worst place to start because you're in a small peninsula and greeks, germans and french avoid your develloppement by surrounding you.
This is certainly the main issue of the map. If we start in Europe, we must fight to create cities as fast as we can, it's a kinda "city rush". I guess Europe is too small to handle with 6 civilizations.
Oh! I've forgotten, it's hard also to born in Britain or in Japan, cause we're stick in islands.
But it's also interesting, cause generally, there's huge wars in Europe and in the 6 firsts, only 2 survive. And the survivors are generally great world leading civilizations. Of course, it's better to be in the survivors than in the losers... sorry about it.
About aluminium in NZ, well to be totally honnest, I've focused on the aluminium production because I liked the idea that asian civilizations had to move to OZ/NZ to find aluminium. About coal, actually I didn't know cause it's today a minor ressource.
Now, about Gold, Well, I knew they were a gold rush in Alaska rockies, in Australian Alps, and in South Africa. But I didn't know it existed also in NZ !! I'll add a couple of gold in NZ then. 
Thanx again, bye
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IamChinese
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Australia
Nov 2001
time: 15:16
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Thanks Marla!
So far, this is the only world map with the correct placement of the Yellow River and the right geographical features of China.
However, can you put the starting location near to the Yellow River next time (the correct coordinates should be 202, 70), because the Chinese civilization should start near there (This is why China is called one of the four river valley culture).
In addition, Beijing is a more modern capital of China. Cheung An and Loyang are the most ancient capital cities in Chinese history, both have been capitals more than 1500 years.
And about the Great Leaders, I don't know why Firaxis put Genghis and Kublai in the list, because they are Mongolians. So, if you want to change the leaders of China, here is a short list
Warring States Period
- Li Mu
- Wang Jien
- Bai Shi
- Sun Tzu
- Mon Tien
Han Dynasty
- Wei Qing
- Li Guang
- Han Wu Di
Three Kingdoms Period
- Cao Cao
- Zhugui Lian
- Guan Yu
- Zheung Fei
- Zhao Yuen
Tang Dynasty
- Li Shih Min
- Li Jing
Song Dynasty
- Han Si Zhong
- Yue Fei
I know it is not much help regarding your map, but it is already a great one anyway.
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Karhgath
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About rome, why do you think they went berzerk and conquered all the civs nearby early one? Yeah, it sucks being stuck on a peninsula, even more than an island, because a least, you are isolated and 'safe' then, hehe. I think each starting location needs a different strategy.
One last thing... the starting location of Aztecs(which is mexico on your map, should be more to the southeast). How the hell did Mexico City grow that much in there? Plains and mountains, hehe. I would maybe add another wheat resource because I had difficulty growing above 8 size, while all my other cities where happily 12, hehe.
The rest is very good. I was playing another earth map, and liked it alot, but when I saw yours, I thought it sucked because it was so different, but the more I play it, the better it is =) Much more realistic.
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Marla
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Paris, France.
Nov 2001
time: 05:16
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About China,
Sorry chinese guy I haven't answered you. Well, Even if i guess it's more accurate to put the founding capital city instead of the modern capital, I'm not for changing chinese location.
People are used to have Beijing as the capital city of China and that's why I'm too weak to change their feelings. Anyway, you can do the change on your own if you want.
About chinese great leaders, can you summarize it to just 4 or 5 names cause we would never see such a big number of army in the game anyway.
You can also give me a list of chinese cities to improve the initial list so that there's less New Shanghai and stuff...
I totally agree about Genghis Kahn. It's like to put Attila as a great leader of Rome.
Another thing, does anyone know what we need to do to go to the civ3-files forum instead of the civ3-creation forum?
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Marla
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Paris, France.
Nov 2001
time: 05:16
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Thanx for the tip Gramphos. I just hope it will work !
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IamChinese
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Australia
Nov 2001
time: 15:16
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Here are the names of the leaders and cities.
Great Leaders
1. Qin Shi Huang (First Emperor)
2. Zhuge Lian
3. Li Shih Min
4. Yue Fei (from Southern Song dynasty)
5. Cao Cao
Cities
Beijing (Capital)
Xian
Loyang
Taiyuan
Jinan
Nanjing (Nanking)
Wenzhou
Fuzhou
Xiamen
Guangzhou (Canton)
Hong Kong
Macau
Haikou
Kunming
Chongqing
Lanzhou
Lhasa
Yinchuan
Wuhan
Changsa
Lianyungang
Shijiazhuang
Shenyang
Fushun
Harbin
Changchun
Jilin
Qiqihar
Baotou
Hanzhong
Guiyang
Hengyang
Shantou
Nanyang
Anyang
Chengdu
Hangzhou
Suzhou
Ningbo
Dailian
Hohhot
Datong
Shanghai
Urumqi
Dunhuang
Xining
I think these should be enough.
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Marla
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Paris, France.
Nov 2001
time: 05:16
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Hum... Lhasa is the capital of Tibet right ? well, I'm not sure it's politically correct to put it in the list... I guess I won't do so. Maybe I'll put Taipei in Taiwan instead cause even if blabla independant Taiwan belongs to chinese culture.
Thanx again for the list !
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IamChinese
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Australia
Nov 2001
time: 15:16
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Marla, I am not trying to be a pain in the bottom, but no matter how the other people think otherwise, Tibet IS still part of China. Unless it becomes an independent state in the future, no one can really argue about that.
I respect your rights of not putting Lasha in the list. But if it is political correctness that you are concerned with, you should have nothing to worry about.
On the other hand, Taiwain is officially not part of China, and that is why I didn't put it in the list.
I am simply stating a fact, so if other people read this thread and don't feel happy about Tibet being part of China, you can send me an email. But please don't start an argument in this thread. Thanks.
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Marla
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Paris, France.
Nov 2001
time: 05:16
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Tibetans claim they are tibetans and not chinese, taiwanese people claim they are chinese but not communist. That's the only thing I meant, it wasn't an argument. When I talked about "politically", I didn't mean it that way, I just meant that in diplomatic relations, Tibet isn't recognized as chinese by everyone.
Sorry, I didn't mean to make any argument about it. I just talked.
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Sharule
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here is my view
Are the british isles big? yes? I love it. No? Waste of imagination.
Go British!
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Mongoloid Cow
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The Vikings called it Grønelan to encourage migration there. The Norweigens/Danes cut out the 'e' and called it 'Grønland' meaning 'Green land' after 1453AD when the Black Death had died off in Greenland to encourage migration again (only 15% of the original population on Greenland survived the 1452AD Bubonic Plague)
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Akka
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In front of my computer.
Nov 2001
time: 06:16
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quote:
Originally posted by Marla
Sorry to disturb you guys, I just wanted to notice that I would be pleased to hear potential critics (or praise , but critics would help more) so that I can improve the map even more.
For now, I just think of adding other names for cities cause it's really boring to see one hundred cities called "new thing" (what after ? new new thing?)
About ressources, I've tested the game already and for now (350 AD) it looks to work well. I will keep 3 wine ressources in France because I'm french  and I can't accept a map without at least Bordeaux, Bourgogne and Côte du Rhône wines presented.
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Well, if you ask for critics
First, I great map I know it's not a critic, but still
I would put one wine in Italy, one in Spain, two/three in France and let's be all for European wine.
Talking about France, as you're French, you forgot to put uranium in it, while it's one of the biggest producer of the world. And I think that the "hole" in the Normandy would look better with a grassland instead of a coastal tile.
In a whole, I think you went wild on ressources. Remember that a civ does only need ONE to be able to build any unit/building that require it. 3 irons and 3 aluminium in NZ, 6 aluminium in Australia, and so much cattle/wheat/wine in Europe and India... Err it's a little excessive
I would cut by 75/80 % the number of ressources.
A river in a desert tile is considered "flood plain" and produce more food than grassland. So you don't need to put plains with wheat in Egypt and Iraq, just let them be flood plains.
Alpes are perhaps a little too big and too long in the east-west line.
One more oil in the middle-east could be good.
Sweden has iron
Gold is in California around San Francisco, you put it too to the North.
USA has the biggest coal reserves in the world.
There was no horses in America
Do you plan to make such a map with a standard/large size ? I would like play on earth, but it's a little too big for me
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29-11-2001 17:23
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). I think you can add a little green to it on the south tip. This is where those pesky Vikings lived and they thought it to be rather green. Green=grass 
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