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I owe..I owe..it's off to work I go
Jul 2000
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Originally posted by axi
Oh, now I get it.
Evidently, even "progressive" governments like the finnish one are interested in "pulling out the splinters" out of their bodies, as Troll has successfully put it. I don't know what their special interest was, but international interest of secret services about this site doesn't mean that it should be shut down.
Does this "normal lifestyle" include commodities acqired through the exploitation of billions of people around the globe? Is capitalism above freedom of speech? |
Unfortunately, yes my friend, although I dont agree with it. I for one earn a good income, have heatly debt and have to therefor work for a living. I dont agree we should "exploit" people groups. But what is exploitation? In some foregn countries where they earn $1,000.00 to $2,000.00 annually and a company comes in and setups up a share of an increased earnings potential, is that good or bad?
Reminds me of two blind men, one has hold of the elephants tail and the other the elephants trunk. VERY different perspective, although they each have infact, a share of the same "BIG PICTURE!". I dont care for nor do i condone "sweatshops" around the world, but truth be known, we dont allways know what the truth is. Only in what light the facts are presented. I certainly do not agree with capitalism above freedom of speech nor do I agree in the degregation of the fellow human race. Sad isnt it, how we justify in our hearts and minds what we think is correct. But I not be seeing all that goes into making a car, all that goes into our food preperation procedures, but I trust it to be ok, but then there is that old familiar story of mice at McDonalds..........
To keep in a responsive answer to your point, I wish we indeed answered civil rights violations more collectively, but alas   we shun the truth too often within our borders, focusing which trees we choose to harvest, which hedges to groom and what lawns to mow, rather thean cleaning up entire landscape!
Make you pray we all chage! God will indeed have final sayso!
Yours In Civin
Troll
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:17
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You realize you folks have largely engaged in ad hominem attacks against axi's articles.
Raise the First [mirror]
Go look for yourself to see if you can find what's so dangerous about the site.
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1) sherman cannot be on AIM because he doesn't have any computers anymore. He will be on periodicly at times when at computers in other locations (friends house ..etc..etc..)
2) if trying to call sherman, if there is no answer you can leave a message. please be aware that both lines are tapped. do not say anything that might incriminate yourself
3) about raisethefist:
raisethefist was an anarchist/acticvist collective/independent media organization. It's political affiliation was anarchism. Raisethefist organizes, helps to promote, endorses several demonstrations, reports on them .. etc..etc. The site is made up of a collective of people who basicly provide articles. Raisethefist.com was being ran off a network within sherman's home. The Los Angeles Anarchist Collective (LAAC, http://LAanarchists.org) was also being ran off this network, so that site is also down.
4) sherman is in los angeles, at a friends house doing work on legal stuff.. he'll be back home in a few days.
5) again, contacting sherman won't be as easy as it was before, because he has NO COMPUTERS. Everything was taken. The only time he will be online is if he is using a friends computer, or a public computer (library ..etc.) .. HOWEVER, you can still email sherman at food_should_be_free@yahoo.com .. messages can be relayed to him through that email address
6) just to confirm several specifics about the raid,
- it happend at aproximently 4PM
- about 25-30 FBI, Secret Service, LAPD, and LASD participated in the raid, most of them were FBI.
- there was a 25 page warent. It is not clear what the charges will be, many of the specifics cannot be discussed over the internet, but this is a serious issue, and there will most likely be a load of charges against sherman for running raisethefist.com, the material presented on the site, amongst other things (which cannot be discussed over the internet).
- people are encouraged to organize demonstations. If in/around L.A county, the demonstration should be in front of the Westood federal building. Demonstrations would be good to help draw awareness to the situation.
- at this time, it's not yet sure how soon - or if raisethefist.com will ever be back online. If anyone has saved images from the site, or prefebly CACHE from the site (especially the raisethefist.com logo), DON'T DELETE IT. Please save it to a disk so we can help get the broken pieces of the site together, and hopefully rebuild it in the future. I'm assuming that there will have to be a new webmaster for the site for the time being .. the domain, raisethefist.com would also have to be moved to a different host.
if you have any questions, please contact food_should_be_free@yahoo.com
again, there was a 25 page warent. at this time it is not certain what the charges will be, but sherman was told he was in 'serious trouble'. (however you'd like to interperate that). |
by anonymous
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I just want to confirm that sherman was told by the 2 FBI agents conducting the team during the raid that this WAS related to S-11 .. and that the content on the site was what they were "interested in" .. but it's obvious they were interested in alot more. they have been watching him for along time now. long before the incriminating content was even posted on the site.
also, the FBI did raid the house with guns. they were heavily armed. they had sub machine guns, shot guns, and hand guns. they sorounded the house. they had FBI, secret service, lapd and lasd there. There are whiteness all in the neighborhood who saw it, including peolpe who were currently at the house.
if you want to get in contact with sherman, you can email him at food_should_be_free@yahoo.com, and messages can be relayed to him. |
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:17
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INFORMATION OBTAINED BY SF INDYMEDIA
FROM LOS ANGELES FBI FIELD OFFICE
http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/01/114474.php
On Thursday, January 24th, around 4pm, the Los Angeles FBI served a search warrant to the owner of anarchist website raisethefist.com. The search warrant was based on charges around "computer fraud and abuse" as well as "distribution of information related to explosives, destructive devices, and/or weapons of mass destruction." When asked if they had raided raisethefist.com, FBI spokesperson Cheryl Mimura from the FBI Los Angeles Field Office confirmed that it "was shut down." The warrant was served by the Los Angles Task Force on Terrorism, but the FBI denies that this warrant is related in any way to the September 11th attacks. Ms. Mimura could not confirm that law enforcement entered raisethefist.com owner's house with "machine guns, shotguns and hand guns" as reported in the original notice about this raid, found here: |
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Ramo
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Austin, Texas, USA
Oct 1999
time: 23:17
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You know, there's a reason they're called "illegal" aliens...just because you believe people should be free to move about doesn't change the fact that this is a crime... |
Yeah, how dare they protect the freedom of the people from tyrants!  Just because you oppose freedom of movement doesn't make this just...
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3. The Peru branch of raisethefist has been under investigation for connection to the Shinning Path guerillas. |
I can't find any such reference (though I did only a few searches). Would you mind providing a link?
Sounds fishy to me, though - anarchists in bed with Maoist guerillas? 
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I am not qualified to quantify what is and is not a qualifying event and I can imagine this forum will be flooded with so called"experts" but seriously, we do need cyber policing and intervention so as to avoid hate groups and violent protest groups causing internal strife. |
Absolutely!  Internal dissent to the state's policies must end! Nothing wrong with that; look at the fine examples states such as the Soviet Union have shown us.
We might hate concepts such as authoritarianism and racism, but anarchism is certainly not a "hate group"; and we're hardly any more violent, as a whole, than other politically active groups in the US.
You might not approve of our beliefs, but if you allow the state to censor our beliefs, what will stop the state from censoring yours?
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Perhaps, you could also tell me what interest the Finnish government would have in the site in an effort to rehabilitate the article? |
Ya know, the Finnish gov't isn't exactly exemplary of a libertarian state.
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axi
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Athens Greece
Sep 1999
time: 07:17
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Sherman's full interview to laanarchists.org, which I also found in indymedia.
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Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:15:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Arm The Homeless
[Ed. note: This e-mail interview is reproduced uncut and
unabridged. Only spelling, punctuation, and basic grammar
have been corrected.]
Hello, feel free to publish my responses to your questions
anywhere.
-Was there any warning that investigation of your website
was heating up?
-Yes. I have been monitoring government agencies
connecting to the site for a long time. I'd been noticing more frequency with them coming back to the site. They had also started intercepting all packets on my DSL line, and seized one of my older AIM screen names for 12 days, so I knew something was going to happen - soon. It was really obvious. I even saw them outside my house at times. They have been monitoring the site very, very extensively LONG before the "incriminating content" which they were "concerned" about was posted onto the site. They simply used this content as an excuse to obtain a warrant for the raid.
-As a victim of one of the first post-Patriot Act
anti-"terrorism" raids, why do you think the Feds chose you?
-Simply because Raisethefist was effective in what I was
doing. It's the same reason why Feds raid other activist
organizations. They're effective. And effectiveness within our movement scares them. They're afraid. And they're going to try and silence us any way they can.
-Do you have a copy of the warrant that was served? What
did it say they were looking for?
-I cannot post any contents of the warrant online. Yes I have a copy of it. The warrant contains a lot of bogus information and misinterpretations. The warrant has information on me since I was 14 (I'm 18 now, almost 19).
-Any idea how many agents/officers participated in the raid?
-Yep, there was about 25-30 of them. They surrounded my
house with guns. Blocked off the garage door with a big bench,
had a door bammer, had cars all up and down the streets, then
2 agents knocked at my door, pulled me outside, and the FBI
came in and raided. My sister and her friends were home at
the time, and she refused to answer the door. I was currently taking a nap and she woke me up to tell me that there were police and undercover/FBI people all up and down the streets looking at the house. That's when I got up and approached the door.
-Can you remember any exact quotes that the agents told
you - what precisely did they say about 9-11, your web site,
what they were looking for, etc.
-They told me the main reason for the raid was because of
the content on the site, and they wanted to see who was
looking at it. This was not the main reason. It was an excuse.
The alledged content which they claim they were so concerned
about is from the Reclaim Guide. It's posted on thousands of
other web sites around the internet. Why didn't they raid
those? Why did they only come after Raisethefist.com? Again,
they've been watching the site for a long time, long before the Reclaim Guide was even posted onto the site. They used this as an excuse to get a warrant for the raid and seize all computer equipment. I can't discuss the specifics over the internet, but I know for sure that they didn't raid simply because they wanted to see who was looking at the content on the site.
[Ed. note: The Reclaim Guide does not appear to be
readily available elsewhere, in its entirety, although the topics
covered are.]
One of the first things one of the head agents conducting the raid asked me was, "why did you grow your hair out?" The picture they have of me is a bit older when I had short hair.
They were acting as if I was trying to "hide my appearance"
from them. They then sat me down, started asking me
questions, etc. All this while the FBI was in my house with guns drawn, and seizing all computer equipment.
The FBI, Secret Service, LAPD and LASD (Sheriffs Dept.)participated in the raid. The Secret Service person kept asking me if I'd like to see Bush killed. They were asking me a lot of loaded questions.
-What exactly did the agents take? How many computers
and how much was it all worth? What were some titles of the
books, literature, and other items they confiscated?
-I have about 12 computers. About 8 of them were running
on the network. They took all of the computers in my house
which had a hard drive in them. Which was basically all of
them, except for the few broken ones which I was working on
fixing. So yeah, they basically took everything. They ransacked my entire room. I don't have any more computers. They took all the hubs, DSL modem, etc., etc. I had thousands of dollars worth of equipment which was seized until further notice. They told me I probably won't be getting it back for a while (I doubt I ever will be) because they have to go through all of the files on
all of the hard drives, which is a lot of data.
They also confiscated all of my political liturature.
Everything from independent political newspapers to protest
flyers, etc., etc.
-Why do you think the FBI raided RaiseTheFist.com? Do
you think they were out to shutdown something unique to your
site, such as the photos of undercover cops?
-They raided it simply because it was effective. It had a lot of potential, and was really moving, not just as a web site, but essentially as an anarchist/activist collective - kids were starting to set up clubs in their schools called "Raisethefist" - we were also beginning to put together an anarchist collective for Los Angeles, amongst other things. I believe one of the main things that got them scared about the site, is that we called for an actual change. Raisethefist was a bit more radical than other web sites, and seeing how it was getting so popular, they wanted to shut it down.
-Based on what the agents told you, and your suspicions,
do you have any idea if other participants or contributors to the website, or other websites, are also under investigation?
-Yes. Those whose web sites I was hosting on the server
will most likely be under investigation. How soon, or how much, I don't know. It could be going on right now. But i can't confirm. As far as I know, they are pretty overwhelmed with all the paperwork and other stuff they have to do with me, so who knows. I just advise those to be careful. Nothing illegal was being done, but the FBI likes to interpret things with a lot of prejudice against anarchists/activists, especially now after 9-11.
-Did RaiseTheFist.com have any external backup? Do you
expect to get your computers back any time soon? Do you
have any plans to resume web operations?
-I had the site backed up on a CD-ROM, which they took.
Right now, we're just trying to find bits and pieces of the site in peoples cache so we can get it back up as soon as possible. There are people working on getting the site back up on another host. Getting the site back up is the first step, then trying to resume with it is the second step. It's going to take some time to get everything back together. I put alot of time into programming all of the things into the site. I don't think I'm going to get my computer equipment back. If I do, it won't be for
a long time. They already told me that I probably won't be
seeing any of it any time soon. They also told me that i was in some "serious trouble," etc., etc.
-A webposting states that you are "a kid" who lives with his
parents. Any comment as to whether you are under or over 18,
and who you live with?
-I'm 18 years old, almost 19. I currently live with my mom.
The computers were also used for my job. I've been supporting myself through them doing independent programming. So not only is Raisethefist.com gone, but I'm out of a job for the time being.
-By the way, there are a lot of stupid-ass rumors going on
out there. I think I heard one about someone saying I was
making "weapons of mass destruction" or something. Just
shows the ignorance amongst a lot of people out there.
-Do you think the Bush Administration is just trying to see
what it can get away with? What would you predict will be the outcome of this episode?
-They're going to try and get away with anything, and
everything.
-What does the future hold?
-Nothing but a barcode.
-What can we do to protect ourselves?
-This was one of the main concerns Raisethefist.com
addressed. My best advice is to not give in to their
fear-tactics. Keep fighting, and fight hard. Don't stop.
-With a newly-empowered FBI, is the web perhaps too open
a medium for revolutionary expression? Are there alternatives whether through new technology or the lack thereof?
-There is less security on the internet, as there really has
never been any. But I'd suggest not to be discouraged by it.
Keep utilizing the internet as an information resource. |
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quote:
Originally posted by Dissident
yeah, sock it to those anarchists.
I envision a america where everyone will be the same. everyone will like and buy britney spears cd's, watch hollywood blockbuster movies, and watch must see tv. This will be the greatest america ever. |
When your only form of protest is buying Pepsi instead of Coke you are truely dead.
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