02-02-2002 01:07									#1
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Civ3 is not a great game nor is Civ3 the worst game ever produced. Civ3 is is a moderately good game with some nice features. Some like it, some don´t. And it´s painfully clear that it can´t be rectified in a manner to please the critics, myself included.

So why not leave it at that? I don´t play the game anymore ´cause It doesn´t do it for me, others enjoy it immensly. That´s fine by me.

What really precipitated this thread was the ugly turn the "two months has passed..." thread took at the end, c´mon it´s just a game There´s no need for namecalling and personal abuse just because you don´t like a particular game.

This is NOT intended as a trolling attempt, neither is it intended to start a flame war. It´s just a reflection I made this evening...

	02-02-2002 01:39									#2
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X What really precipitated this thread was the ugly turn the "two months has passed..." thread took at the end, c´mon it´s just a game There´s no need for namecalling and personal abuse just because you don´t like a particular game.

When I first started that thead I never thought that it'll finish in flame war.

And all I wanted is a little hit from Firaxis, or some intereting discussion about pathces, etc...


Fortunately, MarkG closed it.

	02-02-2002 02:51									#3
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I think player1 didn't start this thread if he don't like the game. He spend a lot of money for the game therefore he can expect some support by Firaxis. And therefore he had the right to ask.

-Martin

	02-02-2002 04:29									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Martin Gühmann I think player1 didn't start this thread if he don't like the game. He spend a lot of money for the game therefore he can expect some support by Firaxis. And therefore he had the right to ask.

Yes, of course he has. However, this was not directed against player1.

	02-02-2002 06:07									#5
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What would help is if the moderators would unleash the banhammer now and again.

	02-02-2002 11:35									#6
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Speaking of which, I haven't seen Lib or Shggy for awhile now...

	02-02-2002 11:38									#7
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quote: Originally posted by SixArmedMan Speaking of which, I haven't seen Lib or Shggy for awhile now...

Yeah. Why's that? Anybody?

Someone else (nato) said Lib was banned. I asked how he knew. No answer.

Salve

	02-02-2002 11:49									#8
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I don't recall you asking me notyoueither.

Anyway those two were fighting it out in every single thread, so Mark G told them to take it outside and banned them both for a week. This occured in a normal thread in Civ General in plain view, not a big secret. I have no idea why I am repeating this twice. Maybe I was the only person reading that thread that far down...

Hows that for a quick answer? I'll have to check the forum after I get home more often ...

	02-02-2002 12:34									#9
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Wow. That's quick.

I searched. Coundn't find the posting of a ban.

So much for the truth being out there. I suc.

Salve

	02-02-2002 12:50									#10
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Well maybe I imagined it. This was not a major event to me.

Hmm ... does this mean I have to worry about knowing too much now? I never saw anything, I swear!

Of all the coverups I could have exposed ... I'd rather have found something exciting, like who killed Kennedy, or something REALLY mysterious like what the status of Civ3 is...

Guess I'll go back to minding my own business now, and let forum stuff take care of itself ... I only responded because you mentioned me by name.

	02-02-2002 12:53									#11
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Hey! I just found out who killed Kennedy.

Found it. Had to dig really deep.

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	02-02-2002 14:02									#12
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Hey! I just found out who killed Kennedy. Found it. Had to dig really deep.

Well thanks for sharing!!

	02-02-2002 14:09									#13
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It was Lib in the book store and Yin on the grassy knoll.

Oh, and Sh*ggy was the driver.

Salve

	02-02-2002 16:01									#14
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Lib was banned? The moderators seem a bit inconsequent ´bout the banning stuff, I can think of several people who, in that case, also should be banned.

	02-02-2002 19:16									#15
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Like who, Kam?

	02-02-2002 22:22									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X Civ3 is not a great game nor is Civ3 the worst game ever produced. Civ3 is is a moderately good game with some nice features. Some like it, some don´t. And it´s painfully clear that it can´t be rectified in a manner to please the critics, myself included. So why not leave it at that? I don´t play the game anymore ´cause It doesn´t do it for me, others enjoy it immensly. That´s fine by me. What really precipitated this thread was the ugly turn the "two months has passed..." thread took at the end, c´mon it´s just a game There´s no need for namecalling and personal abuse just because you don´t like a particular game. This is NOT intended as a trolling attempt, neither is it intended to start a flame war. It´s just a reflection I made this evening...

Agreed. What makes that people are yelling all over the place are expectations, cuz we saw worst games than Civ3. Just could/should have been better. Maybe we should bring Firaxis in a lawsuit for not having given what people wanted: some guys did with Ultima Online Just wonder if the judge had problem not falling on his desk laughing.

PS: Why was Libertarian banned??

	02-02-2002 22:36									#17
	Banning of Shgggy and Lib Inflate your Upload Space

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...41&pagenumber=3

Apparently Shggy has changed his name to ACooper.

Wow... Apolyton is pretty much your typical day time soap opera isn't it?!

	03-02-2002 01:07									#18
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I think players have the ability, in a forum such as this, to discuss what notions and game concepts they like or dislike about the game, and also what changes they want to see, or dont want to see made to the game.
The problems starts not when people take the game to seriously, but themselves too seriously. They begin to think that any knock on their ideas are personal attacks and respond likewise, ususally making outloud personal attacks, which are then met by recrimination. This is true of both those that like and dislike the game- it really is trully personal.
I have never been in a flamewar nor will i ever because i think it is useless and builds a type of enmity that, when speaking of a game, is trully ridiculous.
I think the moderators really should end all thread that begin to turn into flamewars or, in order to save threads, have quick, one day bans on those that begin to participate in flamewars. This might be more useful than weeklong, monthlong, or permanent bannigs, though of course I know not the technical aspects so this might simply be technically impossible, besides the fact that I assume MarkG and Ming have lives that take them away from threads for hours at a time.

	03-02-2002 02:48									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Ironikinit Like who, Kam?

Just off the top of my head, Yin, Horsie, CharlesUFarley, and... myself! (I did some flaming of Firaxis that was really uncalled for...) You yourself made some snide remarks in the thread that got Lib and ****gy banned, so did DaShi. I haven´t read ALL posts by Lib or ****gy/ACooper, but what I´ve read is no worse than what any of the above mentioned has written. But I may have missed something...

Edit: Ban list 2.0

	03-02-2002 02:56									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Trifna Agreed. What makes that people are yelling all over the place are expectations, cuz we saw worst games than Civ3. Just could/should have been better. Maybe we should bring Firaxis in a lawsuit for not having given what people wanted: some guys did with Ultima Online Just wonder if the judge had problem not falling on his desk laughing.

Yeah, a lawsuit IS a good idea Hell, in US you can sue anyone for anything, so why not this? We can settle out of court if they give us a decent game in return

I think the Lib ban is explained above...

	03-02-2002 03:38									#21
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Maybe with Lib and **** it was a matter of being able to get one from each side, and thus evenhanded. Plus, as somebody mentioned, **** and Lib were going at it pretty much non-stop.

I think the only thing that has kept me from getting banned is using the ignore. I really do enjoy writing flames, but I'm on good behavior here.

	03-02-2002 04:57									#22
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quote: PS: Why was Libertarian banned??

Ok I just do not get it. It was originally posted in another thread. Since I was asked about it, I just said why IN THIS VERY THREAD, a couple of posts above. Why is this information so hard to understand?

Anyway I don't know if banning is inconsistant or not. Some posts in Off Topic are really bad, like even reasonable people might find them offensive, but they are not banned. (Not that I am complaining, just noting it.)

However I will say that the Lib vs Shggy battle was finding its way into every single thread almost, and was very annoying (to me at least). Also Lib was a pretty badly broken record at the time (even though I am on the same side of the Civ3 debate as he). I at least could see why he got banned, but thats just me.

Grrr ... I'd rather talk about Civ than forum politics ... but there's just not much more to talk about Civ ... at least until they tell us something.

	03-02-2002 05:31									#23
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I have been born again! A kinder genteler man. In the past week I have seen many posts much worse than mine, but I stand by MarkG's desision, Lib and I were out of control.

As for the name change, part of my former name was considered an offensive word. It was a nickname from college because I kinda looked like the cartoon character. But, it's ok really. I do understand.

Back to the topic of this thread: I think "letting it go" is a good idea on all our parts. I know I sometimes get testy over people bashing the game. Not because I love the game so much, but I can't stand repetitive complaining full of half truths or no facts.

I'm trying to stay calm now...............................really.




[Edited for bad spelling]

	03-02-2002 05:51									#24
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I'd like to say I agree on that.

I am not happy with Civ3 ... however endless bashing type threads are worse than useless. They make discussion and constructive criticism difficult.

Unfortunately, I've stated my problems and suggestions (I did that well I hope) and so have other people ... Firaxis is the Wall of Silence ... there just isn't much to talk about anymore (as far as I can see).

I guess the original post is indeed correct, it may be time to just walk away, like Vel is doing in his thread ...

	03-02-2002 06:42									#25
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quote: Originally posted by nato I guess the original post is indeed correct, it may be time to just walk away, like Vel is doing in his thread ...

Toodles.

	03-02-2002 06:53									#26
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"Toodles"? You sound like somebody's grandmother. Who actually says that?

Anyway I don't know why you are giving me flack. I very reasonably said that I had already stated my feelings about Civ3 and wasn't sure what I had left to talk about. Given your stance, you should be happy to see that.

I think your posts are more pointless than the ones you're responding to.

With people like you around, it is time to leave Civ general. I guess in your language of grandmotherese that would translate to "Toodle Loo" or something.

	03-02-2002 06:55									#27
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quote: Originally posted by nato "Toodles"? You sound like somebody's grandmother. Who actually says that? Anyway I don't know why you are giving me flack. I very reasonably said that I had already stated my feelings about Civ3 and wasn't sure what I had left to talk about. Given your stance, you should be happy to see that. I think your posts are more pointless than the ones you're responding to. With people like you around, it is time to leave Civ general. I guess in your language of grandmotherese that would translate to "Toodle Loo" or something.

Call me karma. Ta-ta!

	03-02-2002 07:04									#28
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Jeez, tootle-loo already.

You've said your bit, you even said there was nothing to talk about.

It just gets so very very old, and you're far from the worst.

Can't you just move on? Does being nice to you make you go faster? Does being mean? What helps, tell us. You don't even seem demented like some of them, surely you respond to reason.

You don't have to have a big funeral, please, no drama. Just get on with your life and leave the Civ 3 forums to people who want to talk about (not just complain about) Civ 3. Pretty please, with ****ing sugar on top, you've said your piece, now get out.

	03-02-2002 07:33									#29
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I'm not going to take junk like this.

MOHonor - Karma ... for what? I've never been a "whiner" and I started some decent threads, which I'm sure stack up to whatever threads you have made well enough.

Ironikinit - Your post makes no sense. I did not start a thread or post asking for a "funeral" or for you to be nice or mean. I made less than one post per day here, all of them polite. My post before MOHonor's response was totally reasonable, and I have a right to respond to his.

I don't think I'm the "whiner" type you "fanboys" want to go after. You're missing your target. Anway you seem just as bad to me.

All right I wanted to respond to that, because I refuse to take posts like yours unanswered.

Have fun.

	03-02-2002 07:37									#30
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quote: Originally posted by nato I'm not going to take junk like this. MOHonor - Karma ... for what? I've never been a "whiner" and I started some decent threads, which I'm sure stack up to whatever threads you have made well enough. I don't think I'm the "whiner" type you "fanboys" want to go after. You're missing your target. Anway you seem just as bad to me. All right I wanted to respond to that, because I refuse to take posts like yours unanswered. Have fun.

Hey "fanboys" didn't create the "whiners" you know. It was the other way around.

And good sticking up for yourself. Seriously.