03-02-2002 21:28									#1
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Just out of pure intrest

I've done three of them. But, someday, I'm going to make a few more.

You can also shamelessly advertise your factions or even put a link or attachment.

	03-02-2002 23:07									#2
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The sad person I am, I have created... hmm... 7 factions of the people I share study space with (with their permission, they later played it themselves and enjoyed Planet Busting each other! ), Genesis, Showbiz, Utopians, Mech (all available @ http://networknode.org ) and the coming Ultramind Mod, with another 7 factions, plus I have a couple more planning...

Making the "10+" choice favourable!

	04-02-2002 00:35									#3
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check my website, section Star Trek : Deep Space 9 Total Conversion

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	04-02-2002 00:50									#4
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Now that's a shameless advertisement!

	04-02-2002 02:03									#5
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i'm ashamed

no, not really some ads will help to keep smac alive

well, the network node collection is quite impressive - nice work

	04-02-2002 02:14									#6
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That's OK Tres. I hate false modesty anyway

	04-02-2002 02:59									#7
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...are hardly notable but here are the threads:
COWBOYS
FORSAKEN
LOSTBOYS
NOBODY
(Please don't laugh I'm new at this.)
edit: I'm not sure, but I might have made some changes to NOBODY and FORSAKEN (to make them more game-worthy) but didn't update them here.

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Well...Forsaken faction was reasonably interesting

	04-02-2002 03:54									#9
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	04-02-2002 04:11									#10
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And the Ultramind factions!

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	04-02-2002 04:56									#11
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some more eye candy...



well, the ULTRAMIND looks very promising

	04-02-2002 05:02									#12
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I've only made a couple of crappy factions, including human and Progenitor versions of a Chaos faction, and a Zionist faction. (Don't ask.) Unfortunately, they're not on this computer, so I can't show them to you right now.

	04-02-2002 14:00									#13
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You know...when I said that you could "even put a link or attachment" I didn't exactly mean...nevermind

I hope I'll get to try that Ultramind mod someday Cybergod. I think we voted for english mode of ST DS9 mod, result was something like 62 in favor. Guess it's coming then?

	07-02-2002 15:09									#14
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Hey Cybergod,

Where can I find that Ultramind mod? Those citygraphs look very familiar

But come on, Sean Connery

	07-02-2002 15:15									#15
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Who ARE these people?!

Of course, you all recognize Ed.

	07-02-2002 15:19									#16
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Who ARE these people?!

Of course, that's Ed.

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	07-02-2002 15:52									#17
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all your base are belong to trashcan...

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	07-02-2002 15:57									#18
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these can be found in Ultramind (I think)

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	07-02-2002 17:09									#19
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You're turning my thread into nuthouse

	08-02-2002 00:16									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Shai-Hulud You're turning my thread into nuthouse

You said that we can post "ads"! I just respected your word...

Aanglo, I am sorry for possibly asking too late, did I ask you for your permission to use the graphics?

Do you know how much it takes to pay Sean Connery...

	08-02-2002 02:00									#21
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quote: You said that we can post "ads"! I just respected your word...

You know...when I said that you could "even put a link or attachment" I didn't exactly mean...nevermind

Anyway, I would have expected few more factions attached. I might have wanted to try them out. It's strange though, all these years of SMAC, and you're still pretty satisfied with Firaxis' factions. The problem is to find the balance of power. I would love to play MP game with custom factions but that would demand a lot of discussion. And would rise arguments since everyone would try to get in with the best possible faction - naturally...Man can hope.

	08-02-2002 12:01									#22
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Cybeg.-
Yes you did ask, and yes I gave you permission

	08-02-2002 13:45									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Shai-Hulud I would love to play MP game with custom factions but that would demand a lot of discussion. And would rise arguments since everyone would try to get in with the best possible faction - naturally...Man can hope.

If everyone could agree on a balancing formula of some sort for abilities, then it wouldn't be too hard for everyone to tailor factions to their own game styles within a certain points limit.

	08-02-2002 16:48									#24
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quote: If everyone could agree on a balancing formula of some sort for abilities, then it wouldn't be too hard for everyone to tailor factions to their own game styles within a certain points limit.

I'm definitely going to arrange that one day. Just have to consult some talented CMNs first. I think NetworkNode has some kind of balancing formula that was taken from that other custom faction site...which isn't available anymore(?). It's possible...Man can hope

	08-02-2002 17:30									#25
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None completed yet - but I'm working on a set of 7 or so.

	08-02-2002 18:12									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Shai-Hulud I'm definitely going to arrange that one day. Just have to consult some talented CMNs first. I think NetworkNode has some kind of balancing formula that was taken from that other custom faction site...which isn't available anymore(?). It's possible...Man can hope

Got it right here.

quote: These formulas have been developed to be used as a guideline for creating new factions and to compare the relative strengths of different factions. This is not a perfect system. A higher rating does not necessarily make a stronger faction. Likewise loopholes can no doubt be found. Strict following of these formulas towards those ends benefits no one. FACTION OPTIONS Power Unit Formulas Anti-Ideologies -1 Free Technology 1*(Tech level) Free Facility 2 +2*(Tech Level) Free Facility (prereq.) 4 Free Vehicle Locusts of Chiron Unity Scout Chopper Battle Ogre MK2 Battle Ogre MK3 Unity Mining Laser Sea Colony Pod Colony Pod 1 1 1 2 1 3 3 Social Benefit ECONOMY EFFIC SUPPORT TALENT MORALE POLICE GROWTH PLANET PROBE INDUSTRY RESEARCH 4 * (param) 2 * (param) 2 * (param) 3 * (param) 2 * (param) 1 * (param) 2 * (param) 3 * (param) 1 * (param) 2 * (param) 2 * (param) Robust 2 Immunity 4 Impunity 4 Penalty -2 Fungus Nutrient 2 Fungus Mineral 2 Fungus Energy 2 Bonus Votes [(param) - 1] * 6 Free Facility (prereq) 4 Revolt 1 per 10% No Drone 2 * (param) Free Ability (prereq) 4 Probe Cost 2 per 25% (param) - 100 Defense 6 per 25% (param) - 100 Offence 6 per 25% (param) - 100 RULE OPTIONS Power Unit Formulas Morale Modifier 2 * (param) (4 for param = 0) Psi Combat Modifier 6 per 25% Research Bonus Per Base 1 * (param) Extra Drone Per Base (16/(param))-1 Extra Talent Per Base (16/(param))-1 Bonus Energy Reserve 1 per 100 energy Energy Interest 1 per 1% up to 5% 2 per 1% over 5% Bonus Commerce Rate 1 * (param) Population Bonus 1 * (param) Hurry Modifier 1 per 10% (param) - 100 Research Modifier 1 per 5% (param) - 100 Share Technology (1 for 6)(2 for 5)(4 for 4)(6 for 3)(10 for 2)(20 for 1) Select Technologies 2 * (param) Terra form Bonus 3 Immunity to Mind Control 4 Free Prototype 3 Alien Faction 0 Share Tech W/ Infiltrator -3 Only if share tech is used w/ 4 or less factions Bonus Comm Freq 1 25% Attack Bonus 6 Aquatic Faction 3 Worm Police 3 Steal Tech 2 Again hear are how the standard Alpha Centauri factions rank with our system. Great care was taken even out the factions in the calculations. Clearly the SMAC factions are weaker then the Crossfire factions. The Crossfire factions are also more varied in their power. This could not be helped without making certain options unreasonably valuable. Crossfire Factions Power SMAC Factions Power Consciousness 11 Believers 3 Drones 9.5 Gaians 6 Planet Cult 8 Hive 5 Data Angels 15 Morgan Industries 6 Pirates 6 Peacekeepers 5 Caretakers 16 Spartans 6 Usurpers 13 University 5 Average 11.2 Average 5.14

	08-02-2002 20:33									#27
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If everyone could agree on a balancing formula of some sort for abilities, then it wouldn't be too hard for everyone to tailor factions to their own game styles within a certain points limit.

That's a start. But there has to be some more game theory in there. What you need is a game where every one brings their own faction (all must get a certain score on the list quoted above), and then then factions are assigned by random, or by bids. With bids, players would be offering all other players an increased amount of energy, tech, or free units to be able to play a "better" faction.

	08-02-2002 21:48									#28
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quote: If everyone could agree on a balancing formula of some sort for abilities

that would be boring life is NOT fair

	09-02-2002 04:53									#29
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quote: Originally posted by wheathin If everyone could agree on a balancing formula of some sort for abilities, then it wouldn't be too hard for everyone to tailor factions to their own game styles within a certain points limit. That's a start. But there has to be some more game theory in there. What you need is a game where every one brings their own faction (all must get a certain score on the list quoted above), and then then factions are assigned by random, or by bids. With bids, players would be offering all other players an increased amount of energy, tech, or free units to be able to play a "better" faction.

But that's the thing. There wouldn't be any "better" factions, since they'd all have to come to a certain points total (Though, of course, people could use less points than they're allowed if they wanted for some reason.)

Life might not be fair, but strategy games like SMAC usually try and make all sides as equal as possible, just appealing to different playing styles. That's all this would be doing.