04-02-2002 22:36									#1
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What nation would you wish you could play?

	04-02-2002 23:11									#2
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The mongols

I never played as them, but they werea tough opponent. I'll add them to my game as soon as I get the chance.

	05-02-2002 02:48									#3
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Mongols also. Now all the AI race to build cities like they did. Would be interesting to develop the dialog for the Great Khan. "A plague on all your houses!" -- Was known to shoot diseased bodies off catapults into beseiged cities. "That's the way you raze a city!" -- Utterly destroyed Kiev after a long siege; leaving a pile of skulls where once had been a city of 100,000, one of the largest in Europe prior to its destruction.

Also miss the Celts.

	05-02-2002 17:07									#4
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I also miss the Mongols as well, I liked playing as them

	06-02-2002 03:49									#5
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YeaH, the mongols.

	06-02-2002 05:25									#6
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I miss the always infuriating invariably belligerent Mongols too. Sneaky, unprincipled, absolute b@st@rds- but ya gotta luv'em.

I miss the Celts and the Vikings, because of my ancestry, and its always fun to have the Celts discover America first, or Vikings conquering sub-Saharan Africa or China.

I suppose we should be grateful that the Mongols weren't replaced by the Timurids though. Too many razed cities and pyramids of skulls- a pollution icon triangulated?

	09-02-2002 01:30									#7
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The Spanish were one of my favourite civs to play as. The Mongols were my all-time arch-enemies in Civ 2. So far in Civ 3, the Romans, Persians and Japanese give me the most trouble...
-Daryl

	11-02-2002 01:22									#8
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The spanish. Guess why?

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	11-02-2002 05:59									#9
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I miss the Cartaginians!
It was cool for me (playing as the Romans) to fight Hannibal and its Elaphant!

Saluti

	11-02-2002 10:25									#10
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I definitely miss the wider variety of barbarians that used to exist. *Ahem* I mean, Celts and Vikings etc. Giovanni knows what Im talking about.

Just kidding all, theyre not barbarians. As a matter of fact, Im a little Celtic myself (Irish). But I always played the Romans, and loved setting myself up against them. Which is what I hate about Civ3, for all intents and purposes, no scenario creating, just an overhyped map creator, that you cant even place starting points on without cheating! Sorry......yeah, so thats who i miss

	11-02-2002 18:47									#11
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The Spanish, Mongols, Vikings, Carthaginians and Arabs at least. Also nice would be Maya, Inca, Korea, Netherlands, Macedonians,

	11-02-2002 23:26									#12
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the spanish and the mongols are the two civs that I miss

	12-02-2002 01:09									#13
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The Scots of course!

	12-02-2002 07:03									#14
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Well if we are expanding this list beyond those Civs that came with the game, then I miss the Dutch the most. Put them into several Civ2 scenarios, and orange was their colour.
-Daryl

	12-02-2002 08:53									#15
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Aye!

	12-02-2002 11:19									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Barfus Giovanni knows what Im talking about. no scenario creating, just an overhyped map creator, that you cant even place starting points on without cheating! Sorry......yeah, so thats who i miss

I know what are you taliking about

I miss very much too what you said about the scenario creations, starting place etc.... I was a pretty good creator of Scenarios, i was able to chenge the unit graphic, flags, terrain rules etc.... unluckly I didn't discover this website yet.... so I couldn't post mines and play other people scenarios!

Saluti

	12-02-2002 22:38									#17
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quote: Originally posted by fimp What nation would you wish you could play?

Ireland, hands down.

Leader: St. Patrick
Culture: European
UU: Militia (movement: 2, Attack: 5, Def: 8, Cost: 1 pop): requires nationality

Religous and Commercial

Favored Government: Republic
Shunned Government: Monarchy
Agressiveness (1-5): 4

Persionality: Build culture improvments, and defense units.

	13-02-2002 00:55									#18
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The Poles, Dutch, Mongols, Arabs, Turks, and Inca's

	15-02-2002 00:29									#19
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I miss the Spanish.

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I miss the Spanish.

	15-02-2002 18:19									#21
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Mongols and Incans.

	16-02-2002 03:08									#22
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I guess I miss the Mongles. I never would've played them, but I stil miss them...

	16-02-2002 15:10									#23
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Every civilization named here seems a fine addition to me. Of course I mostly fancy the Dutch. The Arabs are a civ that I have missed in the other games as well. They should get their chance this time I think.

	17-02-2002 05:55									#24
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The Dutch

	18-02-2002 10:09									#25
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The Spanish...I don't see why they were preempted for the French, though they're entirely different Civilizations, but oh well. They're just, in my opinion, more important.

I'm also peeved about not having the Celts. I understand why they're gone, but I do have Celtic heritage, so it's more a personal nuance.

	20-02-2002 02:58									#26
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I miss the most important muslim civs (Arabs, Turkish), some ancient native American civs (Incas, Mayas) and a western African civ.

About Africa - why did they ever choose the Zulus instead of, for example, the old empire Mali? There are more than enough real civs in Africa, so that can't be the problem.

	23-02-2002 18:02									#27
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Spaniards and Arabs. Yeah, the Arabs weren't actually in Civ II as a real civ, but I liked them. Go Saladin!

I also miss the Vikings and Celts, the latter because I'm part Irish...

	24-02-2002 03:33									#28
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I miss the Celts, for their cool city names.
I miss the Mongols, for their insane expansionism.
I miss the Carthagians, for their Roman rivalries and the obvious Elephant charge.
I wish they had more civs, like the Arabs, African civs, Incas, etc.

Still, you can have too many. Don't make the mistake of Call to Power (not saying their bad or anything, but do Jamacians, Cubans, Welsh, and Turks really deserve to be in the same catagory as Rome, Greece, China, France, etc?)

P.S. I have to admit a guilt. After playing Civ III for a while, I had to struggle to remember which civs had been left out .

	24-02-2002 06:19									#29
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Mongols... they actually had the largest empire of world history, to my knowledge. Of course it cannot be measured accurately, but it might have been bigger than the Soviet Union at its largest... so I can't imagine why couldn't they drop iroquis (yeah, secret way to add the Canadians in the game ) or zulus.

Incas and Mayans - the largest and most influential civs of native America, hands down. It's quite sad that they have always favored the Aztecs, whose empire only lasted for a little while and was not much compared to these two...(or might these be the secret way to add the Mexicans? Of course you must have both of your neighbours in the game you damn yanks ). Of course I'd still retain Aztecs in the game.

Arabs and Turks -for obvious reasons, and their great impact on world history.

Those come to my mind first. Of course, Civ gamemakers have always made crappy choices for civs *cough*zulus*cough*sioux*cough*iroquis*cough...

	24-02-2002 11:25									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Ade Mongols... they actually had the largest empire of world history, to my knowledge. Of course it cannot be measured accurately, but it might have been bigger than the Soviet Union at its largest...

In point of fact, the British Empire, covered in area, at its greatest extent (post WWI, acquisition of former German colonies), the largest empire so far seen. Also, notably, the most diverse, in terms of landmass, and locations, and cultures.

The Mongol Empire constituted the largest contiguous land based empire so far seen. Their notable failures, being of course, Kublai Khan's naval expeditions against Japan, and the attempted invasion of Srivijaya in present day Indonesia. They also did not fare too well in tropical conditions (unsuitable for horse grazing and rider based warfare) and hot desert conditions.

It should also be pointed out, however, that sheer size of empire counts for little. What should be noted was the safety Mongols offered travellers and commerce in their empire and their courting of artisans and artists, and their adaptability.