08-02-2002 08:35									#1
	History Quiz: The Spanish Cvil War was fought... Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

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Vote for the names of the two sides, not what you think of their political ideology!

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Well, I asked, and was not listened to. Someone let the whole Keresnky cat out of the bag. Anyway, I will give this poll just 2 days, since there was a decent turn-out. It is also a different type of poll, to see if this format works better. I do remember my stupidity at the whole 'herd' thing, since one does not get to look at the poll until they vote, so that's not a problem.

Overall, on a question many 'educated'folk would have gotten wrong, Apolyton did very well. This question is not any hader, just different. Also, I would like some posts about my previous questions, and I would be interested in other people asking questions themselves.

Lets see how long until lefty comes ,

	08-02-2002 08:42									#2
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I voted... and I think I got them right. Boshko better not mess this up by going into a history of the whole damned thing

	08-02-2002 08:44									#3
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quote: Originally posted by GePap I do remember my stupidity at the whole 'herd' thing, since one does not get to look at the poll until they vote, so that's not a problem.

You've just got to hit "see results" right next to the "vote" button, and then you get to see the poll results thus far.

Ten bucks says that half the people vote for more than two options.

	08-02-2002 08:45									#4
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I voted and apparently made the same selections as Imran.

I look forward to someone lecturing us all on who REALLY fought this one.

	08-02-2002 08:56									#5
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People can lecture us all they want, after the poll closes and we get the results. As of now, with 7 voters, everyone has voted for just 2. Thank god for that.

	08-02-2002 09:18									#6
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OK, who's the fool who thought that they would pick oneof each?!

I will subtract 1 vote from each, to make up for the fool. I ask for anyone else not to follow that example. If you want to screw with a poll, get your own!

	08-02-2002 09:28									#7
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I voted for 2 and was right

Jon Miller
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	08-02-2002 10:34									#8
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Only two sides in the Spanish Civil War?

Viva la CNT!

Last edited by Ramo on 08-02-2002 at 10:42

	08-02-2002 10:39									#9
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Also, the fascists were commonly called the nationalists. Bad quiz.

	08-02-2002 10:41									#10
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Stop giving things away .

And you know there were two main sides.

	08-02-2002 11:02									#11
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Bah, the Stalinists, right-wing socialists, and liberals were hardly on the same side as the anarchists and leftist commies. Damn statist bastards!

Then you have groups like the Moroccan nationalists.



I don't think that the person who checked in all of the groups has a bad idea of the political situation.

	08-02-2002 11:05									#12
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Historically there are two main sides. I don't think that the anarchists were fighting in the war AGAINST the socialists .

Like he said, the names for the two sides, not what you think of their political ideologies.

Two groups, and we both know who won and who lost.

	08-02-2002 11:30									#13
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Anarchists were fighting the Stalinists. When the Stalinists tried to nationalize the Telephone Exchange in May of '37, the CNT and POUM fought back. It was a real battle. And it was followed by locking up anarchists and POUM members and more theft from the workers. The Republicans destroyed anarchism as a viable force in Spain, not Franco.

	08-02-2002 11:36									#14
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And the anarchists destroyed Republicanism as a viable force in Spain.

A little infighting doesn't change what the two main groups were.

	08-02-2002 11:57									#15
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quote: And the anarchists destroyed Republicanism as a viable force in Spain.

*cough*Bullshit!

quote: A little infighting doesn't change what the two main groups were.

And the existence of two large groups doesn't make the smaller groups irrelevant. GePap wrote nothing about any "main" groups.

	08-02-2002 12:02									#16
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He said the 'Two sides'... the generally historically accepted two sides in the Civil War. One of those sides was very fragmented.

And yes, the anarchists did ruin Republicanism. At least they could have had a viable democratic government. Anarchism is for some people to sit in their houses and think about but would never work in the real world.

	08-02-2002 12:33									#17
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quote: And yes, the anarchists did ruin Republicanism.

How, exactly? The anarchists and the Trotskyites (for the lack of a better term), before they were suppressed, were definitely more competent, in military terms, than the other political factions of the Popular Front.

quote: At least they could have had a viable democratic government.

Riiight. A viable democratic government that locks up dissidents. Like the Soviet Union.

quote: Anarchism is for some people to sit in their houses and think about but would never work in the real world.

Yes. Lots of people sitting in their houses philosophizing. That's how the whole collectivization process was accomplished in Spain.

	08-02-2002 12:37									#18
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Yes, the whole 2 years thing again .

Sorry, but a political system thought up by a 5 year old could survive for 2 years.

The Anarchists and Stalinists never developed compromise. And if you say the Anarchists had better military competancy, why did they get surpressed in the first place .

edit: After all Caballero was still leading the Republican forces when the few days of fighting between anarchists and communists began.

Last edited by Imran Siddiqui on 08-02-2002 at 12:45

	08-02-2002 13:03									#19
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The quiz is somewhat faulty, cause, as Ramo writes, there´s actually three sides: The nationalists/fascists, the stalinists and the anarchists/(trotskyists).

But I guess you can consider stalinists and anarchists as socialists...

Anyhoo, I would recommend a study of political philosophy for GePap

	08-02-2002 13:05									#20
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The Stalinists/Anarchists were mostly under the same banner. Sorry, but it wasn't some 3-way war. It was a 2-way war, with some internal bickering.

	08-02-2002 13:16									#21
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Heck, it took less time to give this one away than the previous time!

Look in any high school, or equivalent level, book in 99% of the world, and it will give you two sides, not every single sub-group, and this is a quiz to find out general knowledge, not a quiz to find out who has a doctorate on Spanish history or Communist history.

If I were to ask, which two sides fought on the Eastern front in WW2, I would expect the Soviets vs. either Germans or Axis, and I would accept both. I would not seek to have someone say, Germans, Finns, Hungarians, Slovaks, Italians, Romanians,Croats, A spanish volunteer division, the Red Army, independent communist partisans, Ukraninan nationalist partisans, Hiwis, and every other specific little group that did fight there and has its own history. For basic historical background knowledge, the two main sides are more than sufficient. But perhaps is folk read the posts instead of jumping in, we might get somewhere.....

	08-02-2002 13:18									#22
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maybe you should ask that it be topped and then closed ()but the poll left open)

Jon Miller

	08-02-2002 13:50									#23
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You mean it wasn't the Socialists vs. the Communists?

	08-02-2002 14:41									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui The Stalinists/Anarchists were mostly under the same banner. Sorry, but it wasn't some 3-way war. It was a 2-way war, with some internal bickering.

Well, yes and no. There was just two sides, the republicans and the fascists. But if you take into account the actions by the stalinists, it might as well have been a three way war. The fact is the fascists won because of the " internal bickering".

But this another discussion really...

	08-02-2002 14:46									#25
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What do you want as an answer here?

Do you want their unofficial English names - ie. what an American would call them? Or are you looking for their official Spanish names?

If it is the first then there are a number of choices which are 'correct' (especially for the victors).

Your wording implies the second, but then none of the options are correct for either side.

	08-02-2002 15:02									#26
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I think the second, but shortend (like the major word or something)

Jon Miller

	08-02-2002 16:13									#27
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Better turn on the heat GePap... these are easy

	08-02-2002 16:17									#28
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so far...

Jon Miller

	08-02-2002 21:58									#29
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From the start, i have said that I would like others to ask questions too, so perhaps others will feel enclined to do so. Also, there is a problem. I don't want trivia. I could certainly go out there, and find something that no one would know, since I do have access to one of the US's biggest academic research libraries. At the same time, how many people in their schools or everyday life (like watching the history channel..) would know about ancient slave revolts in the Middle east? This is no about stumping people, its about seeing how well we know our history here at Apolyton. I must say though, that the group most certainly knows more than the population at large.

	09-02-2002 03:23									#30
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quote: Well, yes and no. There was just two sides, the republicans and the fascists.

The Fascists refered to themselves as 'Nationalists'