17-02-2002 14:06									#1
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I find myself supporting Civ3 more often than I'd like to. I've realized it's because so many of the criticisms of Civ3 that I see are, IMO, more of along the lines of "Civ3 isn't the way I'd like it to be." rather than "This would be bad in any game."

So, what game should Civ3 have been. I'm curious to see if there's any consensus here.

	17-02-2002 17:19									#2
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I wish theyīd tried to make SMAC 2 instead of this. But with Brian missing I suppose theyīd **** up that to...

However I DID re-install Civ 3 with the arrival of 1.17f, but I havenīt played it enough to really feel if itīs worth devoting time to in the future.

	17-02-2002 17:42									#3
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Civ3 should be called Genocide 3.

	17-02-2002 17:47									#4
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quote: Originally posted by DrFell Civ3 should be called Genocide 3.

Huh?

	17-02-2002 18:01									#5
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what game should civ3 have been?


a nice porno one with that corny electric guitar solo you always get an hot bodys as the theme tune.

	17-02-2002 18:20									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X Huh?

Best way to win on deity: Build a few cities, build a huge army, conquer civ no1., get all their tech. Then after that conquer civs one by one razing most of their large cities and replacing them with your own. Not very civilized, I'd say.

	17-02-2002 19:39									#7
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None of the poll options: Civ3 should be Civ3 as it is now

	17-02-2002 19:44									#8
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oh come now ADG, its what we think it shuld have been, no game is ever perfect, so when you can choose what you want it to be do so, so if you wanted a general orgy game from ancient pompeii, then say it god damn it!

	17-02-2002 20:46									#9
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quote: Originally posted by DrFell Best way to win on deity: Build a few cities, build a huge army, conquer civ no1., get all their tech. Then after that conquer civs one by one razing most of their large cities and replacing them with your own. Not very civilized, I'd say.

OK, got you. Itīs ironic that Sid always complained that people played the game as a wargame and still thatīs the most viable strategy

	17-02-2002 20:57									#10
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My vote: CIV3 + SMAC/X
I think Civ3 is a new game in it's own right though, it has some ground-breaking new features.

	17-02-2002 21:00									#11
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quote: Originally posted by DrFell Best way to win on deity: Build a few cities, build a huge army, conquer civ no1., get all their tech. Then after that conquer civs one by one razing most of their large cities and replacing them with your own. Not very civilized, I'd say.

Perhaps you should try a more interesting strategy of building a better civ, not necessarily a bigger one.

Conquering is easy, ruling is hard.

	17-02-2002 21:20									#12
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DrFell, you make it sound so easy. I'd really like to see your deity save game, could you post it as promised? You said you'd have it up Friday.

	17-02-2002 23:37									#13
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quote: Originally posted by The Andy-Man oh come now ADG, its what we think it shuld have been, no game is ever perfect, so when you can choose what you want it to be do so, so if you wanted a general orgy game from ancient pompeii, then say it god damn it!

For me the game is almost perfect as it is now with the new patch, there's only a few minor bugs, but apart from that it is the game that hit the best scores ever with my ratings.

Sure I'd like the game to have faster turns on huge maps with 16 players (or even more ), but I like to keep it real

And btw, if it goes more to the Civ2, SMAC, ctp then the game get's worse and it has taken the good parts of Civ1

The only thing that might be (not saying it will be) interesting is to have some future advances.

	17-02-2002 23:37									#14
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it should have been civ3 + ctp 2 maybe + SMAC as well.

	18-02-2002 02:01									#15
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It should have been an amalgamation of all the best features from CtP(2), SMAC (maybe) and Civ2. But Firaxis decided that learning from CtP would be too intelligent.

	18-02-2002 02:08									#16
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CtP2's stacked combat and a counterpart of SMAC's social engineering should have been included in Civ3. Still, it's a great game IMO.

	18-02-2002 02:43									#17
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bah I like it the way it is!
Great Job Firaxis!

	18-02-2002 02:44									#18
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Okay lets say the bombard thing has to be addressed
but overall its a damn nice game

	18-02-2002 05:55									#19
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Civ III should have been:

Civ III + LWC Mod + Facist Patch Mod + Blitz! Mod

With stacked movement. :-)

Oh and a prefferance to turn resource depletion OFF.

IMHO of course :-)

	18-02-2002 16:38									#20
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Civ 3 should have had elements from CTP and CTP2?!?!?!

/shudder/

Thank God it doesn't! What a mess CTP was... And I know everyone says CTP2 is oh-so-good, but until I see it I refuse to believe they could pull themselves that far up from the first. And until it drops below the current US$30 here or the video store gets it in, I won't see it either. The new patch seems to have silenced much of the criticism and I quite agree - Civ3 is now almost the game it should have been anyway - thus my answer - Civ3 should have been Civ3 v1.17f or later.

	18-02-2002 17:44									#21
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt Civ 3 should have had elements from CTP and CTP2?!?!?!

Stacking doesn't appeal to you?

	18-02-2002 18:13									#22
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I see it's uses, but call me stubbornly old-school Civ.
It's perhaps the only thing CTP did right (first time, at least), but I never built that many units to worry about it. This is very different in Civ2 and 3, as well as in SMAC. CTP units were always just a way of reminding myself how stellar my tech was compared to the AIs. Neve needed more than one Space Fighter, War Walker etc. for showing off.

	18-02-2002 18:30									#23
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt Neve needed more than one Space Fighter, War Walker etc. for showing off.

Never haven't won before getting to the future.

	18-02-2002 18:39									#24
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I prob'ly could have won but I wanted to see the future units badly. Naturally SMAC (released about the same time, IIRC) blew me away! I play to explore and have fun - winning comes second!

	18-02-2002 18:59									#25
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Civ 3 should have been a combination of all the good features of Civ 1, Civ 2 and SMAC, PLUS some extra's and better graphics.
Civ 3 isn't like that at all. For instance, what's this stupid bombardment feature? I like the idea, but the way it is implemented now, it's useless. Why build costly catapults or bombers when all they do is level a few buildings or killing some citizens of a city you want to capture a turn later??? In real ife, (level) bombers are very usefull for destroying the factories and plants of a city (thus paralizing its war industries), where you are not in the position of capturing the city with ground troops (UK-Germany, 1944)
Speaking of which, air units are totally useless anyway. Again, the idea of city fixed airunits and bombing and recon missions is great, but the way it is implemented s#cks (for example, one can rebase an air unit all across a vast ocean in one turn, while it would take 20 turns for a ship to do the same).

In sum, civ 3 is not as good as it could have been.

	18-02-2002 19:05									#26
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A first person perspective: imagine the scene...

[Roman senate with emperor kittenOFchaos on big chair with cushion ]

-the player is the Emperor and sees out of the Emperor's eyes like a FPS

And from this perspective the emperor bosses people around...goes to "The Games" and orgies etc and sometimes on military campaigns lasting years.

	18-02-2002 19:34									#27
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This poll is invalid. It ignores to option of Civ 3 being exactly what it is: A valid succesor in the line of Civ games. Civ 3 is a game which has relatively simple rules yet addictive at the same time. It is not a successor to SMAC, CtP, or CtP. It is not even a sucessor to Civ2. It seems to have gone back to Civ 1 and taken a different route then Civ2. That's where so many people get it wrong about this game. Those who think SMAC was the best game ever will not enjoy Civ3 as much because it is a different game. CtP and CtP2 were jokes of games and the only reason they survive is because of a small group of hardcore gamers with too much time on their hands. Now it seems this group wants to take over the Civ3 game and forums, but this isn't their game and never will be.

Civ3 is Civ3. Civ3 should not be what just a few people want, but what the majority of game buyers (not just us here) want and need.

It's a good game made by good people. Enjoy it, if you find a bug report it, just quit saying it should be more like (insert game here).

Return this forum to a CIV 3 forum!

	18-02-2002 20:05									#28
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What on earth does that mean, Coop? Is it a Civ3 forum only if all the posts are shiny happy people holding hands and worshipping the game? What do you want, stuff like this:

yea i luv this game ....!!!!!! it good !!!

	18-02-2002 20:14									#29
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First off, I hated SMAC. I thought CtP 1&2 were a big waste of time and money.

What I am saying here is that Civ 3 is a game unto itself. It does not need to stack up against those jokes of gaming history. This constant comparing of the games without even an option to say "Civ 3 is better" is tiring. And undeserved.

If you have complaints, or suggestions for Civ 3 please post them. Saying that the game should be like a different game and leaving it at that is no help to anyone or anything and really is just .

	18-02-2002 20:32									#30
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I see that ACooper has dropped the unreasonably inflamatory "Return..." plea and we're left with only the reasonably inflamatory stuff.

The poll doesn't have a "Civ3 is fine" option, ACooper, because I wasn't curious about the number of people who think that. Quite a few people seem to desire Civ3 to have been something else... I just curious about what it is they wanted. Personally, I'm enjoying Civ3, but if the game in the Civ3 box had resembled SMAC 2 more than anything else I wouldn't have been disappointed.