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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
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My question was :
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well, now what is National Socialism for you , Boddington's ?
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note , this is your post, your supposed reply.:
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Yes, there are winners and losers in capitalism. The winners are those who are honest, industrious, thoughtful, prudent, frugal, responsible, disciplined, and efficient. The losers are those who are shiftless, lazy, imprudent, extravagant, negligent, impractical, and inefficient. |
this is capitalism .
now my question is :
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errm... what national socialism has to do with it?
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if you want to discuss the strengths and weaknesses of capitalism , we can do it , but don't confuse it with the " National Socialism"... alas, even that we won't be able to do right now , since I am going to bed.
Dalgetti out.
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The farce is strong with this one.
Feb 2000
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Originally posted by Boddington's
Yes, there are winners and losers in capitalism. The winners are those who are honest, industrious, thoughtful, prudent, frugal, responsible, disciplined, and efficient. The losers are those who are shiftless, lazy, imprudent, extravagant, negligent, impractical, and inefficient.
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I think you are forgetting some major factors in that equation: luck, dishonesty and ruthless ambition
So next you are going to tell us that you are one of those social darwinists are you?
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Velociryx
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of Candle'Bre
Apr 1999
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::sigh:: What's it gonna take? How many times to communist regiems have to utterly collapse before people will finally "get" that communism...the notion of a planned, state controlled economly DOESN'T WORK!? And it sure as hell doesn't outproduce, or become more efficient than an essentially capitalistic system.
In the first place, the larger part of worker motivation STEMS FROM the private ownership of property. Unhappy with your current job, come up with an idea, get a loan to BUY some property and BUILD a small factory, warehouse, or whathaveyou, bust your A$$ and make it happen.
A centrally planned economy can't compete with this guy, cos he's in it for his life....and what motivates those in a planned economy? Job security? That's a pretty slender reed to base much of anything on.
Study economics and history...know what you'll find? A bunch of hobbled and broken down communistic regiems, and a bunch of capitalists on top of the world.
Hmmm....maybe there's a lesson there?
-=Vel=-
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axi
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Athens Greece
Sep 1999
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I wrote this when the topic was on page one, but I was unable to get online and post it. Nothing seems to have changed though. Note that this is a very strange thread, a sort of inverse trolling since the topic starter is posting what it seems a self-evident and moral opinion, only to see it attacked!
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Hitler killed more Soviet citizens than Stalin. Had he won, we would have killed more and sent the rest to Siberia. In "Mein kampf" Hitler claimed that all slavic populations should be subjugated and work as serfs for the Reich.
I agree with Echtelion. Shame on you! How can you possibly compare?  But of course all answers that favor the Nazis come from people who never had a Nazi occupation in their country. :q And who of course have been brainwashed most with anticommunist propaganda! :q
My father who was a child then, has been hauled three times, along with my grandmother, to the shooting yard, because the Nazi policy was ten random civilians shot for every German soldier killed by the resistance. My grandfather had fled to the mountains. My father was organised in gangs of kids who were systematically stealing food from the German warehouses to feed their families. I was raised with stories from the Occupation.
So naturally, when I read such things, I feel a chill down my spine.
This might not be so strange. The western bourgeois were preferring the Nazis to the Communists and they were ready to come to terms with them in an unholy alliance against the "Reds", specially the USA. That's why they were all shocked when the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was signed in 1939.
Conclusion: The proletarians may be those who "have no fatherland", but it's always the bourgeois that end up as traitors. :q
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faded glory
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This trash talking 2 bit dope dealer is about to learn respect for the law
Jan 2001
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Hitler killed more Soviet citizens than Stalin. Had he won, we would have killed more and sent the rest to Siberia. In "Mein kampf" Hitler claimed that all slavic populations should be subjugated and work as serfs for the Reich. |
But he didnt....so give it up. He didnt kill as much as Stalin, and you know it.
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course all answers that favor the Nazis come from people who never had a Nazi occupation in their country |
Same with the other side? Right?
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My father who was a child then, has been hauled three times, along with my grandmother, to the shooting yard, because the Nazi policy was ten random civilians shot for every German soldier killed by the resistance. My grandfather had fled to the mountains. My father was organised in gangs of kids who were systematically stealing food from the German warehouses to feed their families. |
Oh and I bet your traumatized!
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The western bourgeois were preferring the Nazis to the Communists and they were ready to come to terms with them in an unholy alliance against the "Reds", specially the USA. That's why they were all shocked when the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was signed in 1939. |
Stop calling them Burgeois. And that is a load of bullshit. Thats an opinion. Fascism is an enemy of Capitalism, as is Communism. There is no capitalist alliance with Fascism...Fascism Nationalize's everything like communism...olny difference being the government doesnt put the money on social services. Rather, uses it to create command economy.
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Conclusion: The proletarians may be those who "have no fatherland", but it's always the bourgeois that end up as traitors |
Conclusion: The above is a load of crap.
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axi
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Athens Greece
Sep 1999
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Same with the other side? Right? |
We've had 3 military dictatorships, 3,5 years of German occupation and a civil war in my country. We have a more complete view of such things than you could ever have, archidaki... 
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Oh and I bet your traumatized! |
What would you know about occupation syndromes, koloflore? 
My father, being starved as a kid, refused to throw away stale food, even 50 years later. He had had an undiagnosed case of pneumonia during that time and this led half of his one lung to malfunction, which tormented him his whole life.
So don't you DARE mock my father's memory, paliolechriti!
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There is no capitalist alliance with Fascism |
So what the hell did Winston Churchill advocate before the war?
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Fascism Nationalize's everything like communism |
Oh, I see, like they did with the Krupp factories?
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olny difference being the government doesnt put the money on social services. Rather, uses it to create command economy. |
And after that statement (even though it's wrong) you believe it is better?!? Fascism creates a war economy, not just any type of command economy. Exactly the same economic principle that G.W.Bush is using right now!
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
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and by the way, Germany and Italy werent the only fascist nations. Spain, lithuania, Roumania, and Bulgaria (maybe even Finnland but perhaps not) could all be called fascist during ww2 not to mention the Dominican Republic, which the American gov't supported until Trujillo became despotic.
thanks
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faded glory
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This trash talking 2 bit dope dealer is about to learn respect for the law
Jan 2001
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Originally posted by axi
We've had 3 military dictatorships, 3,5 years of German occupation and a civil war in my country. We have a more complete view of such things than you could ever have, archidaki...
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How many did you live through?
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What would you know about occupation syndromes, koloflore?
My father, being starved as a kid, refused to throw away stale food, even 50 years later. He had had an undiagnosed case of pneumonia during that time and this led half of his one lung to malfunction, which tormented him his whole life.
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Your point? I said nothing of the sort denying this. I mentioned how IRRELEVANT it was to the topic at hand.
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So don't you DARE mock my father's memory, paliolechriti!
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tsk.....tsk.....dont get delusional on me. I never mocked your father
must be more Revionist Bullshit. He never allied with Fascism. With all do respect, What the f.. are you talking about?
Not under the control of Krup. Under the control of the economic minister, Albert Speer.
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And after that statement (even though it's wrong) you believe it is better?!? Fascism creates a war economy, not just any type of command economy. Exactly the same economic principle that G.W.Bush is using right now! |
Righhhhht Keep deluding yourself old man.
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Shi Huangdi
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Apr 1999
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Hitlerism and Stalinism were both evil. Both targeted specific groups- Hitler went after slavs, jews, commies-- Stalin went after intellectuals, jews, capitalists, etc. But one key difference is that Stalin was alot more random in his killings then Hitler. If you were not one of Hitler's targeted groups, you could be reasonably safe. Stalin was more paranoid and went around randomly purging people, including loyal communists(Hitler also purged followers, but not to the same extent). Stalin went after various people randomly, so for this reason so long as you are not one of the targeted groups you are best off under Hitler.
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
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Originally posted by axi
I agree with Echtelion. Shame on you! How can you possibly compare? But of course all answers that favor the Nazis come from people who never had a Nazi occupation in their country. :q And who of course have been brainwashed most with anticommunist propaganda! :q |
Absolutely agreed. These guys do not know what are they talking about. They cannot even imagine the horrors of Fascism. And I found it very sad that such people are not rare. It is very, very dangerous sign.
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500.000 people died in WW2 most of them civilian and most of them during the Nazi occupation. |
I just want to make this thing more clear. You are talking about Greece, right? The full list of victums of fascism is mare larger.
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We've had 3 military dictatorships, 3,5 years of German occupation and a civil war in my country. We have a more complete view of such things than you could ever have,.. |
The same I can say about myself. I remember my childhood in USSR, and I prefer to spent my whole life under such regime how SU was in its last years, then spent one year living under fascist's regime.
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What would you know about occupation syndromes, koloflore? |
I unerstand your rage. Shame on them! As I said earlier they do not know nothing about fascism, if they only knew a 1% of suffering and misery our countries went throught when was occupated by fascists, their opinion will be different.
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And after that statement (even though it's wrong) you believe it is better?!? Fascism creates a war economy, not just any type of command economy. Exactly the same economic principle that G.W.Bush is using right now! |
This is the most dangerous thing. If people do not remember lessons of history as those guys showed here, there is a chance that fascism may return. In Lithuania, Estonia, Litva today nazi veterans treats as heroes, while resistance fighters and Red army veterans treats as criminals. In those countries Russian population who is large part of the whole (about 30-40%) do not have civil rights, and treated only less beter then Jews were treated in Germany under nazi. Nationalsts rise again, those people forget abot lessons of the past, their vandals destroyed a monuments in honor of people who fought aginst fascism, they razed a graves of soviet soldiers. Thats why I'm respect the modern Germans, they treat memory of people who died in fight against fascism much, much better, they never done the same. Fascism is not German invention, this is sickness of whole humanity. And people who forget about this evil, might face it again- this is the most terrible thing. Shame on you, who forget about this evil.
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