03-03-2002 04:41									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Seeker Why would I listen to some punk whine about modern bullshit

So you can accuse people who don't of being snobs?

	03-03-2002 04:48									#32
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I agree that there's tons of good stuff out there and most old classical music is for snobbs and is basically shitty. There's plenty of jazz, blue grass, etc. that's good stuff. Even some rap is quite good in comparison, once you gain some perspective.

	03-03-2002 05:14									#33
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Eliot del Borgo - his Rituale is superb!

David Holsinger - great stuff, especially In the Spring, At the Time When Kings Go Off to War, but Liturgiacl Dances is a good piece too

The Gershwin's are supposed to have some really good music, but I'm not really into them.

Gustav Holtz's Planets is good.

Noebou(sp?) Umetsa has created some great pieces.

I wish I knew who wrote Danse Macabre! It's one of the great songs, and it really reminds me of Halloween.

Arron Copeland - Can't go wrong here.

But like you said, noone knows any Contemporary composers...

	03-03-2002 05:18									#34
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I love classical music!

Beethoven, Tchikovsky, Mozart, Bach, Vivaldi, Wagner, etc., etc. Good stuff!

quote: Classical music is the music of the ruling classes. By a select few for a select few. Ick.

Absolutely, it's not like rulers are capable of creating anything that's aesthetically pleasing.

	03-03-2002 05:25									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Absolutely, it's not like rulers are capable of creating anything that's aesthetically pleasing.

And this coming from an anarchist, too!

	03-03-2002 05:29									#36
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The pyramids were built for a privileged elite using slave labour.

Should we demolish them?

	03-03-2002 05:34									#37
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Maybe we should get rid of that eyesore, the Taj Mahal.

	03-03-2002 05:37									#38
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I think you're being ironic, Ramo, but as I've previously heard you describe Napolean, Alexander the Great and Genghis Khan as 'pretty mediocre', I can't be sure...

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I'm sure Genghis would be relieved to know he meets your exacting standards.

	03-03-2002 06:04									#41
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What did Napoleon do? He only knocked the nose off the Sphinx. Genghis razed whole cities.

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quote: What did Napoleon do? He only knocked the nose off the Sphinx

IIRC, that's a myth.

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Classical music is repetitive??? Yaaah... techno isn't repetitive or anything...

When I look at a song, I don't look at the date, or the background of the artist, I just look at the song. Great songs are timeless. That is why I love both Rimsky-Korsakov's Sceherezade and Pepe Deluxe. That is why I think of Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here as closer to classical than Beethoven's ninth. NIN's closer really does remind me of a lot of classical music.

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quote: IIRC, that's a myth.

Really? Do you have a source?

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I'll go check...

I remember hearing it on the tube.

	03-03-2002 06:12									#46
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http://www.napoleonseries.org/faq/sphinx.cfm

	03-03-2002 06:12									#47
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quote: Classical music is the music of the ruling classes. By a select few for a select few. Ick.

How about Prokoviev then?

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He did a nice line with loving oranges if you want my opinion.

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Very interesting, thanks KH.

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I must say that I agree that most classical music is simply boring and has no 'soul'...perhaps it is just that it is not my thing, but I remember at Oxford when I have gone along to classical music recitals to be polite when friends have been playing, and within 10 minutes it is I will be fast asleep and invariably another friend will have to wake me up. Quite frankly, I could have more fun clipping my toenails

	03-03-2002 06:21									#52
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In general I think I vaguely agree with monolith, but with the caveat that I instantly prefer Beethoven's 9th (and a few other classical pieces) to most classical music and anything by Pink Floyd. Bit more groove. Bit more energy. Also found in many old pieces of popular music.

What I object to is the extremely safe establishment world of most classical music, prog rock, classic rock, and most other mainstream forms of expression. There is no tension, no challenge in the damn music.

	03-03-2002 06:27									#53
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Why should there be tension and challenge? Isn't it enough just to be beautiful?

	03-03-2002 06:28									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Seneca Why should there be tension and challenge? Isn't it enough just to be beautiful?

No, humans inherently have a short attention span. May be very nice at first but will soon grow boring and tiresome...for me anyway.

	03-03-2002 06:29									#55
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Snapcase: back in those days, different composers did different levels of experimentation. Chopin and Mozart I consider to be the "prog rock" of their time. But tchaikovsky, beethoven, and rimsky-korsakov, my personal favorite, all had the edge. You could consider them the Pixies of their time .

"has no 'soul'" Ugh. You've obviously never heard Scheherezade. Soooo beautiful.

I'll agree to disagree with Pink Floyd, snapcase. I don't really see what your problem is with them. Admittedly, I hate the stuff after Roger Waters left, but then again it wasn't really PF without Roger.

*Plays "welcome to the machine"*

Ok.... A drone, a few buzzing noises. Actually sounds quite like radiohead, only different. More subtle.

Guitar comes in. Fairly standard. First on the left channel, and then on the right. Still can't see what you hate.

Welcome my son, welcome to the machine. The lyrics: perhaps they're not what you like? Well, I can't understand that either. You've been in the pipeline filling oyur time... The lyrics coupled with the style of singing really bemoan the slippage into the corporate structure, the proverbial selling out. How is that different from any other song that bemoands "selling out"?

	03-03-2002 06:30									#56
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Serenity is possibly the quality I despise most in music.

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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison No, humans inherently have a short attention span. May be very nice at first but will soon grow boring and tiresome...for me anyway.

I'm thinking of stuff that's a bit more than just 'very nice'...

	03-03-2002 06:32									#58
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A normal, healthy attention span is about 15 to 20 minutes. Due to our "sound-bite" culture, with fast food, fast commercials, fast programs, and (judging from mtv) fast women, we simply can't be patient anymore.

Classical music, you will notice, rarely goes above that, and if it does, it is part of a series, in which there are different parts to the series.

	03-03-2002 06:33									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Snapcase Serenity is possibly the quality I despise most in music.

I like my music with splosions. Wutang!

	03-03-2002 06:33									#60
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Monolith, me and thee seem to be having a few crosswords nowadays Don't get me wrong, there is classical music which I have found I like, but for the most part, it is all very dreary. I just think it lacks a certain something.

I will stick to my punk thanks (and whatever else I chose to listen to)