03-03-2002 01:44									#1
	Classical music is for snobs. Put an end to popups!

I don't understand it: Why is anybody listening to stuff thats 200 years old, or older? I mean it has nothing to do with the world of today, it has been heard over and over.

Baroque music - you can't listen to it longer than 5 minutes, after that you fall asleep (or do the dishes or something like that)

Classical music - Tatatataaaaa. Heard a billion zillion times. Like "Yesterday"

Romantic music. Sounds like a generic Hollywood soundtrack. Maybe it was genuine 150 years ago, but today?

Take Bach's "Art of the Fugue" for example. It's the same stuff over and over, I bet the people who say it's one of their favourite works can't tell which fugue is which.

So I guess it's all for the snobs to show their impressive education.

	03-03-2002 01:50									#2
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quote: Originally posted by Loud Medicine I don't understand it: Why is anybody listening to stuff thats 200 years old, or older? I mean it has nothing to do with the world of today, it has been heard over and over. Baroque music - you can't listen to it longer than 5 minutes, after that you fall asleep (or do the dishes or something like that) Classical music - Tatatataaaaa. Heard a billion zillion times. Like "Yesterday" Romantic music. Sounds like a generic Hollywood soundtrack. Maybe it was genuine 150 years ago, but today? Take Bach's "Art of the Fugue" for example. It's the same stuff over and over, I bet the people who say it's one of their favourite works can't tell which fugue is which. So I guess it's all for the snobs to show their impressive education.

All of your above quotes are based on your opinion--as shallow and generalized as it is.

You ever heard of the classical plays from ancient Greece? They are still being performed today. And you want to know why? Because the theme of those plays, such as Oedipus, still apply to our contemporary society.

So guess what? The music that you so obviously hate is enjoyed by people who believe that kind of music can still be enjoyed and appreciated by people who have an open mind.

	03-03-2002 01:56									#3
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As I sit here listening to Reinhild Runkel and Jessye Norman doing their thing on the last parts of the Chorale movement of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, you can guess how much I care about your opinion on the subject.

	03-03-2002 01:58									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Loud Medicine I don't understand it: Why is anybody listening to stuff thats 200 years old, or older? I mean it has nothing to do with the world of today, it has been heard over and over.

Because it is nice

And you are a barbarian

	03-03-2002 01:59									#5
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Sure. And some people listen to easy listening supermarket muzak and some like polka. But it's outdated. It doesn't have anything to do with ideas and thoughts of contemporary people. It's old, marble. A lot of the composers wanted to create something stirring, new sounds - these days it's outdated. Millions of musicians did a lot of research on every single note, trying to find out if it has to be played a liitle louder, faster, etc. It's just academic.

	03-03-2002 01:59									#6
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I'd rather listen to classical music than listen to someone talking about beating their wife, screwing their girlfriend, doing drugs and getting beaten down by cops, which is all modern music is about.

	03-03-2002 01:59									#7
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Just typical for notherners...

	03-03-2002 02:06									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Loud Medicine Sure. And some people listen to easy listening supermarket muzak and some like polka. But it's outdated. It doesn't have anything to do with ideas and thoughts of contemporary people. It's old, marble. A lot of the composers wanted to create something stirring, new sounds - these days it's outdated. Millions of musicians did a lot of research on every single note, trying to find out if it has to be played a liitle louder, faster, etc. It's just academic.

The things that are outdated now and should be banned since they're old:

1) The Enligthenment ideals of liberty, freedom, and equality--that is over 250 years old now. Time to get rid of that crap.

2) Books and literature--that is thousands of years old--let's go back to illiteracy.

3) Clothes--clothes is millions of years old, so let's all go nude in public every single day.

4) Beer--that is such an old, outdated beverage, so let's ban that in today's modern world.

Anway, with classical plays, and classical music, it still applies to our contemporary society, whether you like them or not.

	03-03-2002 02:12									#9
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A music troll... now that makes for a nice change

I'm not surprised at al by the fact it's an ACOLyte who brings those news to us

	03-03-2002 02:13									#10
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3) Clothes--clothes is millions of years old, so let's all go nude in public every single day.

4) Beer--that is such an old, outdated beverage, so let's ban that in today's modern world.


Good example! If someone wears 250 years old clothes and drinks beer brewed in a way 500 years ago (which was a real pizwater) you wouldn't say he's a snob?

	03-03-2002 02:15									#11
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And: Nobody knows contemporary composers except popular music, but every wannabe expert adores Beethoven.

	03-03-2002 02:17									#12
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Why the hell do you care what other people enjoy? If other people like it, who are you to say what they can or cannot enjoy?

	03-03-2002 02:18									#13
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5 letters, SH: t-r-o-l-l

and a music one as well

	03-03-2002 02:20									#14
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Oh, well. OK. Fine then.

	03-03-2002 02:35									#15
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that's the final evidence... I'm sure there's some link to this at ACOL and all the guys are laughing their arses off at us

	03-03-2002 02:42									#16
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Different strokes for different folks.

And after watching some of the most recent Grammy Awards, I can't believe what passes as music today. It is somewhat disturbing to hear some of my favorite classical rock tunes homogeonized as MUSAK.

Just because you listen to classical music every now and then doesn't make you a snob.

I would say the troller is acting like more of snob then those that he is accusing.

RAH

	03-03-2002 02:44									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion I'm sure there's some link to this at ACOL and all the guys are laughing their arses off at us

Nahhh... I still lurk there, and as of the moment of this post, no thread... yet

Plus, there aren't many people left their to laugh their arses off

	03-03-2002 02:45									#18
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ACOL is (un)dead

	03-03-2002 02:48									#19
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well, then counterglow or whatnot

it's obvious he's just being a troll

case closed

	03-03-2002 03:17									#20
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My parents listen to classical music... they have more than 500 cds of the stuff... poor me... I still live at home... I wouldn't recommend much of the stuff... except... Gorecki's Symphony of the Sorrowful Songs.

It's outdated... is there much music that isn't... Common, admit it... you still listen to Elvis and the Beatles

	03-03-2002 03:34									#21
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If I'm just listening to classical music to impress people, how come it's on my stereo now and there's no one else here?

Hah! Got you there!

Not that it's an ideal Saturday night situation...

	03-03-2002 03:51									#22
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Classical music is the music of the ruling classes. By a select few for a select few. Ick.

	03-03-2002 03:53									#23
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I listen to Classical because I'm tired of the boring repetitiveness and simplicity of modern music. I remember reading somewhere that 70+% of modern "rock" songs are written in the key of C. Hell, why should any of us bother with such compositionally illiterate crap?

And don't tell me it's for the lyrics. You ever read the stuff straight-up? It's like a poetry symposium comprised of angst-ridden, horny tenth graders.

	03-03-2002 03:54									#24
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So who the f*ck am I ruling, Snappy, with my comprehensive school education and one-room flat?

	03-03-2002 03:54									#25
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Wannabe.

	03-03-2002 03:56									#26
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It hasn't crossed your mind that I might just actually like the stuff?

	03-03-2002 03:58									#27
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It's scary when I come across a person who believes that it is ok to destroy or disregard products of cultural achievements just because they are "old."

Should we destroy all paintings, sculptures, and architectural designs that are over 150 years old??

Should we do away with the ideals of freedom, liberty, and equality just because those ideas and concepts are old??

Should we do away with the monotheistic religions that have provided a basis for further cultural development just because they are old??

Should we do away with theater plays and forms of music that is over 150 years old, just because they are, well, "old?"

No, we should never do such outrageous things, because all of these products of cultural achievements are applicable to our contemporary society.

	03-03-2002 04:00									#28
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MrFun, you are bordering on becoming a one-trick pony WRT this thread.

	03-03-2002 04:02									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Seneca It hasn't crossed your mind that I might just actually like the stuff?

You keep on believing that, Phil. I'm sure one day you'll be a prancing prince in a castle full of unicorns.

	03-03-2002 04:39									#30
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Ya know, I'm sure I'd listen to more modern music if there were more as good as JS Bach.

But 90% of modern music, is, in the immortal words of Grandpa Simpson, 'unadulterated pap'.

And the more modern it gets, the worse it tends to get (with the exception of early Oasis, early Who, early U2, Queen, most Beatles, original CCR and a few others)

Why would I listen to some punk whine about modern bullshit, when I can have the immortal strains of the Little Fuge?