05-03-2002 11:32									#61
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quote: As I said children shouldn't be exposed to two guys making out, it could stunt/harm their proper development.

Who the fvck are you to say what their "proper" development is?

	05-03-2002 11:35									#62
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Wait a minute, when you say your Union, do you mean the Student Union at your college, or are you talking about some sort of labor union? Hey, why don't you guys start a "Full Monty" weekend? You could use it as an event to bring together both the straight and gay communities.

	05-03-2002 13:07									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Wait a minute, when you say your Union, do you mean the Student Union at your college, or are you talking about some sort of labor union? Hey, why don't you guys start a "Full Monty" weekend? You could use it as an event to bring together both the straight and gay communities.

The whole Student Union. There are Gay Events organised for every day of the week.

I may not have described my feelings on this carefully enough, but this post by Sikander represents how I feel:

"The problem is that most people don't know/care that other people in their vicinity are gay or not. What they do notice is over the top behavior, and it's annoying regardless of who is too loud or overt. When people feel they are being targeted for political reasons rather than merely incommoded by over-zealous lovers they get even more annoyed/angry. Thus it sticks in their mind when a gay couple steps over the bounds of decent public behavior because there is a chance that this is a political behavior aimed at them. A vast majority of the time this is BS and people are just drunk and doing what they want, but I've seen enough cases of gay people trying to get a reaction to know that it isn't all straight paranoia either. I tend to avoid people whose behaviors cross the line whatever their sexual orientation."

	05-03-2002 15:22									#64
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We have to remember that Stew is very squeamish about human bodies interacting and 'doing things' like dancing or holding hands

	05-03-2002 15:24									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's I re-iterate I am not against gays. I have several queer friends, and so long as they keep their sexuality to themselves it's ok.

What if I felt the same way?

1. Don't kiss her in public.
2. Don't hold her hand.
3. Don't ask for her phone number.
4. Don't flirt.
5. Don't drunkenly hit on every girl that you see.

What choices do you have left... maybe you could begin an underground breeding club for heterosexuals.

	05-03-2002 15:43									#66
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At least Gay Week is making Boddies face up to his predjudices even if he won't admit them yet.

Then again... he's scared by Gay Week... disgusted by a girl dancing naughtily with him...

	05-03-2002 17:06									#68
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And then there's the "u like arses" text message he sent to me. Notice how it is supposed to be an insult but liking arses of indeterminate gender surely isn't a bad thing? Not unless he's subconciously assuming that liking arses implies both liking male arses and that in some way that is a bad thing.

	05-03-2002 17:23									#69
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Anyone who thinks gays aren't discriminated against in the West, have a look at this from an Alabaman judge recently:

http://www.wallacejordan.com/1002045.htm

	05-03-2002 17:29									#70
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH And then there's the "u like arses" text message he sent to me. Notice how it is supposed to be an insult but liking arses of indeterminate gender surely isn't a bad thing? Not unless he's subconciously assuming that liking arses implies both liking male arses and that in some way that is a bad thing.

	05-03-2002 17:33									#71
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Boddingtons lives in a nice safe little middle class bubble where everyone is tolerant and no-one discriminates against anyone else. According to him in threads over the last few weeks we've heard that there is almost no sexism, racism or sexual discrimination in the UK.

However he's also said that he finds it hard to get on with people from the south because they seem to be unfriendly and arrogant and he doesn't want to see gay people snogging because it offends him to have their sexuality thrown in his face. Oh and it's also disgusting when women (drunken sluts) get drunk and try and dance 'disgustingly' with him although later it turns out that actually she's not just a drunken slut but actually quite a nice person. I'm currently awaiting a "I'm not a racist but most muggers are black." thread from him to complete the Hypocricy Hatrick.

To him it probably appears that this is all perfectly reasonable but he's yet to be exposed to the real world.

	05-03-2002 17:35									#72
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Whoops, X post, I'll respond to the sleepy later.

	05-03-2002 17:39									#73
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AJ:
Blimey!
And for those that can't be bothered to read through it (there's a lot there), here's a key snippet from Chief Justice Moore:

"Homosexual conduct is, and has been, considered abhorrent, immoral, detestable, a crime against nature, and a violation of the laws of nature and of nature's God upon which this Nation and our laws are predicated. Such conduct violates both the criminal and civil laws of this State and is destructive to a basic building block of society -- the family. The law of Alabama is not only clear in its condemning such conduct, but the courts of this State have consistently held that exposing a child to such behavior has a destructive and seriously detrimental effect on the children. It is an inherent evil against which children must be protected."

...an inherent evil?

	05-03-2002 17:42									#74
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH Boddingtons lives in a nice safe little middle class bubble

I went to a state school in Salford.

For unBritish viewers of this thread, Salford is one of the most deprived areas of the country. It vies with Hull for the highest crime rates for various offences.

quote: where everyone is tolerant and no-one discriminates against anyone else.

That's true - I've encountered next to no discrimination against "minorities" in my 19 years of life so far.

quote: According to him in threads over the last few weeks we've heard that there is almost no sexism, racism or sexual discrimination in the UK.

There is sexual discrimination - events like this horrendous Gay Week that we have to endure.

quote: However he's also said that he finds it hard to get on with people from the south

No, I said they are arrogant and up-themselves.

quote: he doesn't want to see gay people snogging because it offends him to have their sexuality thrown in his face.

Who does want to see that?

quote: Oh and it's also disgusting when women (drunken sluts) get drunk and try and dance with him although later it turns out that actually she's not just a drunken slut but actually quite a nice person.

When she's sober.

quote: I'm currently awaiting a "I'm not a racist but most muggers are black." thread from him to complete the Hypocricy Hatrick.

And what would be wrong with such a thread? The statistics probably prove that that is the case.

quote: To him it probably appears that this is all perfectly reasonable but he's yet to be exposed to the real world.

In other words, my worldview is different from yours, and you can't accept that.

	05-03-2002 17:45									#75
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An example from our country:

When I was at uni in Birmingham (not that long ago, 3 years?) we got this taxi with a driver who was happily telling us about the bit of Birmingham we were passing through. "Yeah, we always used to come down here on a saturday night to beat the sh*t out of the f**king poofs... blah blah blah go to such and such a pub, get drunk then come out here to find a couple of them to kick the crap out of.... 'course you can't do that anymore, there are too many of them and they hang around in big groups."

	05-03-2002 17:47									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's For unBritish viewers of this thread, Salford is one of the most deprived areas of the country. It vies with Hull for the highest crime rates for various offences.

	05-03-2002 17:50									#77
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You know what nowadays, I think it is time that groups formed and kicked the **** out of taxi drivers, even if just for their poor manners on the road

Stew, I'd get writing your black crime thread then and have done with it

	05-03-2002 17:57									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison You know what nowadays, I think it is time that groups formed and kicked the **** out of taxi drivers, even if just for their poor manners on the road

..says the guy who drove the wrong way out of Co-op car park

quote: Stew, I'd get writing your black crime thread then and have done with it

I'll let someone else do it, DinoDoc or someone like that who hasn't posted enough in this thread yet.

	05-03-2002 17:58									#79
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever ..but Gian, i thought you were....

You thought what?

	05-03-2002 18:01									#80
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Actually, one of my favourite clubs back home is situated about 50 metres from the heart of the gay village (Rich or EiF can vouch for this). Indeed, on some night it holds gay nights, but not on Fridays which is the night I go on.

Upon exitting, I've regularly had to stand in queues for a taxi rank around the corner, called "Rainbow Cars". I knew the queues were probably 90% gay guys, some of them getting off, and it didn't bother me, because I knew what to expect and that I could choose to leave and get another taxi rank.

So I'm not a bigot or anti-gay - it's just events like this that get forced upon theee that piss people off and make people like the aforementioned taxi driver want to **** some heads in.

	05-03-2002 18:12									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's I went to a state school in Salford. For unBritish viewers of this thread, Salford is one of the most deprived areas of the country. It vies with Hull for the highest crime rates for various offences.

Right and how many people in the school openly came out and admitted they were gay? If none why not? I'm just going on what Rich and Iain have posted on here in different threads when you've been ranting about stuff. Also didn't you say how much you hated the 'scallies' and how you tended to isolate yourself in a group of similar thinking people? You might have gone to a state school in Salford but did you go there and try and avoid the reality of it?

quote: Originally posted by Boddington's That's true - I've encountered next to no discrimination against "minorities" in my 19 years of life so far.

It helps that you are a straight white male. Took me a long time to start seeing it around me as well. You are lucky though. When I was working in the supermarket when I was about 17 I was told that I was too slow and I should work like I was pulling a black man off my mum which was supposed to be a joke. Discrimination is around everywhere. People know it's supposed to be wrong so they don't always come out with it openly but that doesn't mean it doesn't affect their decisions or what they'll say in private.

quote: Originally posted by Boddington's There is sexual discrimination - events like this horrendous Gay Week that we have to endure.

If you weren't offended by it they wouldn't need to put the event on.

quote: Originally posted by Boddington's No, I said they are arrogant and up-themselves.

A generalisation based on where someone lives.

quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Who does want to see that?

Other gay men? The reason they still need events like this is to show people like you that there is nothing wrong or disgusting about two men kissing or two women kissing, it's the same as a man and a woman kissing and peoples attitudes towards it should be the same. If you have a problem with that then it's your problem not theirs.

quote: Originally posted by Boddington's When she's sober.

quote: Originally posted by Boddington's And what would be wrong with such a thread? The statistics probably prove that that is the case.

YES! Three out of three. It's the implication that's wrong there and if you really don't know what I mean or why it's wrong then I think you are backing up my argument.

quote: Originally posted by Boddington's In other words, my worldview is different from yours, and you can't accept that.

I can accept a different worldview I'd just like you to admit your predjudices.

I've met you, I don't you don't consider yourself a sexist, racist, homophobe but a lot of the time the things you say make you come across as if you are and you probably don't even understand why. The main reason is that you still seem to think that just because you personally haven't witnessed any of these things they don't exist. That's not true, they do exist which is why these issues are still so important. If everyone really did believe that everyone else was equal then you are right, this kind of event wouldn't be necessary but you can't say that everyone is equal to everyone else and then say that you think gay couples shouldn't have the same rights to kiss in public as MF couples. That is complete and utter hypocricy. I doubt you'll back down on this but I hope you think about it a bit offline. You should listen to the gay guys here when they say what it means to them when you say that gay men kissing is not something you want to see in public. You might not realise it but by saying that you are implying that they are different, disgusting, and doing something that's socially unacceptable. Whether you like it or not that is a form of homophobia. Deal with it!

	05-03-2002 18:15									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Actually, one of my favourite clubs back home is situated about 50 metres from the heart of the gay village (Rich or EiF can vouch for this). Indeed, on some night it holds gay nights, but not on Fridays which is the night I go on. Upon exitting, I've regularly had to stand in queues for a taxi rank around the corner, called "Rainbow Cars". I knew the queues were probably 90% gay guys, some of them getting off, and it didn't bother me, because I knew what to expect and that I could choose to leave and get another taxi rank. So I'm not a bigot or anti-gay - it's just events like this that get forced upon theee that piss people off and make people like the aforementioned taxi driver want to **** some heads in.

You were doing so well for 2/3 of a post and then you empathise with the violent homophobic thug. *sigh* I give up.

	05-03-2002 18:38									#83
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MikeH,

quote: Right and how many people in the school openly came out and admitted they were gay?

How many gay people actually out themselves before 15/16 to friends anyway....I knew one at high school, anyway. Well, it was a rumour but judging by how he acted he probably was gay.

quote: Also didn't you say how much you hated the 'scallies' and how you tended to isolate yourself in a group of similar thinking people? You might have gone to a state school in Salford but did you go there and try and avoid the reality of it?

Not really - I'd play football on the back field lunchtimes when the weather was adequate. Everyone would join in no matter where they were from - council estate or somewhere a little bit smarter. I didn't avoid anyone/thing.

I'd also have friends on what was in the 80s (I believe) the second most notorious estate in Salford. It's got better since, but I'd still be playing football on the streets there, and on the playing fields next to it.

quote: If you weren't offended by it they wouldn't need to put the event on.

I don't think that makes sense - I can tolerate homosexuality, but not when it is forced upon us for a whole week. Why should we be made to feel like outsiders for a week? I'd prefer it if there wasn't a Gay Week as well.

quote: Other gay men? The reason they still need events like this is to show people like you that there is nothing wrong or disgusting about two men kissing or two women kissing... ...you think gay couples shouldn't have the same rights to kiss in public as MF couples. That is complete and utter hypocricy.

Hey, I don't care what two consenting adults get up to in their own homes.

quote: It's the implication that's wrong there and if you really don't know what I mean or why it's wrong then I think you are backing up my argument.

That blacks are more likely to be criminals than whites? That isn't racist, it's fact.

quote: gay men kissing is not something you want to see in public

It's not just me but probably the vast majority of the population. Children must be protected from it.

quote: You were doing so well for 2/3 of a post and then you empathise with the violent homophobic thug. *sigh* I give up.

I wasn't empathising or condoning the attacks he did in the past; all I'm say is that with less "Gay Weeks" and gay festivals and all that malarkey, there'd be less people getting inflamed by it all.

They can be as gay as they like in their own time.

	05-03-2002 19:12									#84
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Stew you're becoming/become such an *******, what the **** is happening to you?

	05-03-2002 19:21									#85
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I think he's becoming a Southern Baptist...

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quote: How many gay people actually out themselves before 15/16 to friends anyway....I knew one at high school, anyway. Well, it was a rumour but judging by how he acted he probably was gay.

quote: I don't think that makes sense - I can tolerate homosexuality, but not when it is forced upon us for a whole week. Why should we be made to feel like outsiders for a week? I'd prefer it if there wasn't a Gay Week as well.

WHY SHOULD GAY PEOPLE BE MADE TO FEEL LIKE OUTSIDERS THE ENTIRE TIME BY PEOPLE LIKE YOU!!!!!!!!

quote: That blacks are more likely to be criminals than whites? That isn't racist, it's fact.

No it's not. Show me a scientific study that says that if you bring up two people, under exactly the same conditions in a society that treats them both exactly the same that one race will typically end up being more likely to become a criminal than another. You are saying that one race is more likely to behave badly compared to another based purely on their race that is racism you have no defence for that.

quote: It's not just me but probably the vast majority of the population. Children must be protected from it.

Most of the population of the UK support bringing back the death penalty. Does that mean it's right? If most of the population believe this as you say then that emphasises to me more than anything the levels of ignorance and predjudice in the country. What's going to happen if a child sees too men or two women kissing? They'll go and murder someone? Start taking crack and stealing because it's so horrific? Or maybe they'll just think it's normal and grow up without learning this social stigma that still exists about homosexuality.

quote: I wasn't empathising or condoning the attacks he did in the past; all I'm say is that with less "Gay Weeks" and gay festivals and all that malarkey, there'd be less people getting inflamed by it all. They can be as gay as they like in their own time.

So.. as long as people are gay in their little gay village or the nice segragated gay clubs and they don't really mingle freely with society it is alright? Why not, just to make sure, make them live in special camps where they could be as gay as they like all day long with no-one to be corrupted by them. Then when they come out of the camps they can act straight just like everyone else?

	05-03-2002 19:23									#87
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ps. If you want to find a political party that will openly endorse your views I suggest you try the National Front because they are the only ones that would say the stuff you have said in this thread.

	05-03-2002 19:54									#88
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Let's eliminate the social double standards.

Two gay men holding hands in public as any heterosexual couple do, are not crossing any boundaries into inappropriate behavior.

Two gay men who are having sex on a public beach -- that is definitely inappropriate behavior, as sex between a man and a woman on a public beach would be inappropriate behavior.

People like Boddington tend to distort and exaggerate the reasons why homosexuals have such civic and community events like Gay Pride and other events.

	05-03-2002 20:00									#89
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Hmm, maybe I'm wrong then.

I still don't think there should be a gay week though. That's discrimination on grounds of sexuality.

If it was the opposite way around, there'd be people complaining left, right and centre. Political correctness.

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Are they saying that you can't join in any of the events because you aren't gay?