07-03-2002 11:08									#1
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Could someone with some graphics skill please make a flood plain that looks like a flood plain instead of the desert?

I am always confused in the game. It looks exactly the same to me.

I just put an "F" on it for now, but it looks hideous. Please, please, somebody do something!

	07-03-2002 12:07									#2
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sn00py has a new graphics mod coming out soon, maybe flood plains will be changed in it.

	08-03-2002 22:23									#3
	flood plain grfx Got spare money?

here is something I threw together in photoshop. However, I'm in a lab right now and don't have access to the actual pcx files, so i just did it fom memory. if you like it, i can do an actual version, but it may be awhile, as Spring Break is next week (hooha!)

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	08-03-2002 22:53									#4
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OK

	08-03-2002 22:57									#5
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alrighty, i'll get to work on it a soon as I can.

	09-03-2002 10:28									#6
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thanks fezick31

I found this pic. maybe it will help inspire you.

maybe you could add your flood plain grfx to sn00py's graphics coming out soon. he hasn't thought of changing them til now

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	18-03-2002 23:24									#7
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I just got back from break, so i'll try and get something done for tomorrow (March 19) (it's a heckuva lot colder here than in Orlando though . Oh well, summer is only 3 months away.....

Thanks Cap', the picture is good.

	19-03-2002 02:08									#8
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Hey uh is this any good? I really have no idea..

can I make improvements? or do I really need to start again?

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	20-03-2002 01:25									#9
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here is a preliminary.

feedback, por favor.

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	20-03-2002 04:08									#10
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Itīs nice, but still thereīs no difference between the Desert and the Flood Plain, anyway the river is very nice!


Now the obligatory question: When?

forgot about Fezick31 (sorry): do you speak spanish? If so: lindas palmeras

	20-03-2002 05:30									#11
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Actually there are no flood plain graphics other than the green tinge around the river. Any desert tiles bordering the river graphics are floodplains, I believe.

	20-03-2002 11:34									#12
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What's the point in changing the graphics. I love it like this. The only place flood plain appears is next to a river and in that case you can easily tell it from desert, because it has something like a jungle attached to the river.
Ofcourse you could place somewhere else, making your own maps, but that was not the point about flood plains.

	20-03-2002 16:46									#13
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I was checking out the flood plains and here are some things I noticed:

The default graphic is desert, so in the floodplains file where it has the purple (=transparency) desert will show through probably (unless it is a coast and the water shows through).

The deltaRivers file overlays the floodplains file in most cases; a notable exception is that if you design one of the squares as a coastline, you will quickly find out that it will also show when the terrain changes from floodplains to anything else.

It would be possible to really change how floodplains look, someone will just have to widen the existing graphics, or replace them.

The way it stands now the existing graphics are mostly covered by the rivers that overlay the floodplains (that is why you need to fill as much of that square as possible in order to make it really stand out from desert).

	20-03-2002 17:05									#14
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sn00py, is it possible to make mountains with clouds around them? Have you tried anything like that? airbrush some grey clouds on a white background and then paste them onto the mountains? hmm, I'll try that later on (tried making them on the regular background but it used many shades of purple to do the clouds, argh).

	20-03-2002 18:31									#15
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Here is a screenshot of my new floodplain graphics. I went fr an Oasis type look. If you have any comments let me know, otherwise I'll post the pcx file a little later.

Carlos, Yo hablo un picino espanol, paro no muy bein. I'm glad you like the palm trees though

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	20-03-2002 19:36									#16
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Fezick31 and Sn00py

Nice Graphics. They might be more appropriate for an oasis resource though. I think that most flood plains are found in temperate of tropical climates since you need lots of rain or spring run-offs from the snow melt. The Nile floods in this way but it is a pretty unique river and I dont think it is typical of flood plain geography. I think that what may be needed to represent flood plains are tiles with heavy grass, bushes, and a few small trees. Its fertile land but I think that the (semi)-annual floods tend to keep down tree growth.

	20-03-2002 19:44									#17
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH I think that most flood plains are found in temperate of tropical climates since you need lots of rain or spring run-offs from the snow melt. The Nile floods in this way but it is a pretty unique river and I dont think it is typical of flood plain geography.

good point, but for this game, i have to disagree. The only place that flood plains are available are desert regions, which would make the Nile the norm (it is the model I used). I think Firaxis was trying to account for the narrow band of fertile land that borders rivers in desert regions. Flood plains that exist around the Amazon and the Mississippi are already on fertile ground, and we really can't place flood plains there anyway.

Now, if we could stick flood plains along any river, then I would agree with you 100%.

	20-03-2002 20:11									#18
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ahh, OK, now I get the point of flood plains. I miss swamps though. are you gonna post the file with your graphics?

	20-03-2002 20:22									#19
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Here is the zip file containg the new floodplains.pcx file.

note--fixed the transperency error that mizaq pointed out

edit -- this file has been moved to the files forum.
You can find it here

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	20-03-2002 20:28									#20
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I like these. The second tile to the right on the top row has some weird thing hanging off the tree, but I fixed that myself. Good job!

	20-03-2002 20:34									#21
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Thanks

quote: Originally posted by Mizaq The second tile to the right on the top row has some weird thing hanging off the tree

I don't see it, but if you could point it out somehow, i'll fix it in the zip file. I just cut and pasted the same palm tree for every tile, so if it's in one, it will be in all of them.

	20-03-2002 20:44									#22
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quote: The only place that flood plains are available are desert regions, which would make the Nile the norm (it is the model I used).

I guess I missed the connection between flood plains and desert in which case your graphics fit perfectly. Thanks for the effort.

	20-03-2002 21:10									#24
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thanks Mizaq. For some reason, turning the file into a zip created the error. I had to actually open the file from within the archive and fix it, because everytime i uploaded it into the archive, it generated the white. Weird.

	21-03-2002 04:57									#25
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quote: The default graphic is desert, so in the floodplains file where it has the purple (=transparency) desert will show through probably (unless it is a coast and the water shows through).

Ooops I didnīt know that!

quote: Yo hablo un picino espanol, paro no muy bein. I'm glad you like the palm trees though

I see...

I will write it right:
"Yo hablo un poco espaņol, pero no muy bien" just to help you and donīt worry i donīt speak english very well as you can see too.

	21-03-2002 05:54									#26
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WUJUWWWWWWWWWWW and this Palm`s Treess??
... Look like.... mmmm. ... the Plaza of Perez Zeledon in Central America.. searching for a pic..... ...... ah! Dosent matter!
Good work.

	21-03-2002 09:05									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Carlos113 "Yo hablo un poco espaņol, pero no muy bien" just to help you

I took 3 years in high school, but that was 5 years ago, so I'm a bit rusty...


Godinex, thanks, i think.

	21-03-2002 23:13									#28
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Start a new thread posting those floodplains graphics so Gramphos can put it in the files forum. They really kickass to play with.

	21-03-2002 23:22									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Mizaq Start a new thread posting those floodplains graphics so Gramphos can put it in the files forum. They really kickass to play with.

done.

I'm glad you enjoy them.