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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
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Originally posted by Sirotnikov
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It does not do this, and instead continues to promote the Jews as innocent vicitims whichs to electing mass murderers like Sharon, which continues the same old sh*t. |
oy, here we go with sharon again.
Sharon was no only not convicted, but also endited from the label mass-murderor. That's just more propoganda talking than you. |
I'm not just talking about Sabra and Shatila. I'm talking about his whole blood drenched career, from Dier Yassin to Kibya to Gaza to Lebannon to Sabra and Shatila (and I don't care what your damned court says, since your courts aren't concerned with justice) to the present intidada.
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Furthermore, those who get killed on bus stops and clubs were, are and always will be innocent victims. |
As I said, if you want to play the innocents game, I could round up more dead innocent Palestinians than you can round up dead Israelis (innocent or no).
I'm not justifying Palestinian terror. Stop justifying Israeli state terror. It kills far more people, has engaged in torture on an horrific scale, and made the lives of millions of people a nightmare. And you fain surprise when they hate you and spread anti-semitic crap.
Oh, and by the way, while the Arabs were cozy with the Nazis, the Jewish militias were actual co-belligerents. You fought the same people the Nazis fought. Men and weapons that the Brits could have used to fight the Nazis had to be deverted to fight Jewish terrorists.
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Sirotnikov
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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
time: 07:18
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I'm not just talking about Sabra and Shatila. I'm talking about his whole blood drenched career, from Dier Yassin to Kibya to Gaza to Lebannon to Sabra and Shatila |
He was in deir yassin?
What the hell do you want from kibya?
the people ****ing hid from IDF and refused to leave.
We blew up what we thought to be empty houses. We blew them up because they contained arms.
What the hell "gaza" means?
And Sabra and Shatilla was performed by the late Eli Hubaika. I don't remember you or any of your friends calling for his trial, ever, even though he was directly in charge - on the field.
Why is that?
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(and I don't care what your damned court says, since your courts aren't concerned with justice) |
Yes, you're right.
Just because our courghts are independant from the parliament and government, and they ruled against the government in most cases, and always kept justice above everything (and I do know since we study the history of our supreme court cases), doesn't mean anything.
Surely you, a foreigner who bases his way on only one extreme side of the political map which often distorts facts to force into his world view, know what is just and what is not.
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As I said, if you want to play the innocents game, I could round up more dead innocent Palestinians than you can round up dead Israelis (innocent or no). |
I can round up more mead innocent Germans, than you can round up dead Americans, innocent or not, from WWII.
It is the consequences that count.
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I'm not justifying Palestinian terror. Stop justifying Israeli state terror. It kills far more people, has engaged in torture on an horrific scale, and made the lives of millions of people a nightmare. |
No, it's the decision of the palestinian leaders to fight Israel and to trample thier people while doing so, that made their life a hell.
Palestinians in Israel are doing quite allright, being treated probably mostly better than black people in america, except for affirmative action.
And this is while they are actually often a security threat.
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And you fain surprise when they hate you and spread anti-semitic crap. |
Pure hatred is wrong what ever happens.
I have the reasons to hate palestinians just as thye have reasons to hate me. Yet I don't think they are the sons of satan, nor do I spread the word about them being such.
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Oh, and by the way, while the Arabs were cozy with the Nazis, the Jewish militias were actual co-belligerents. You fought the same people the Nazis fought. Men and weapons that the Brits could have used to fight the Nazis had to be deverted to fight Jewish terrorists. |
Some 3 extreme groups lead "a war" against the brittish occupation.
They didn't target civilians ttbomk and therefore shouldn't not be labeled terrorists.
Also, iirc they acted less during the war.
Infact, it was Mufti Al-Hussaini (or what ever) that promised in his correspondence with the Nazis to "keep Brittish brigades in Palestine and Syria (iirc)".
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:18
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
How was he involved with the Dier Yassin massacre? |
He was one of the leaders of the Stern Gang which, with the Irgun, carried out the massacre.
Natan, that was just a response to Siro who seems to forget that Sharon had a life before and after Sabra and Shatila.
Yes, I could have also mentioned Sadat's group in Egypt as for Nazi co-belligerents. Also, the Nazis tried to lend material support to the Palestinian cause, but got caught by the Brits before they could hook up with any local Arabs. On the other hand, I could have mentioned Jewish fascists that were extremely cozy with the Nazis. Heck, as far as the Nazis were concerned, there were very few people who weren't in bed with them at one time or another.
The Jewish militias may not have been a monoltihc body, but even the Haganah carried out attacks during the war. However, "you" was a stupid and idiotic choice of words which I regret. Obviously, most Israelis had nothing to do with the war.
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Natan
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New York State
Sep 2000
time: 00:18
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
He was one of the leaders of the Stern Gang which, with the Irgun, carried out the massacre. |
Sharon? Never heard that before; AFAIK he was with the Hagana and the Labor party until decades after Israeli independence; if he had been with the Stern gang, they'd never have let him into the army.
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Yes, I could have also mentioned Sadat's group in Egypt as for Nazi co-belligerents. Also, the Nazis tried to lend material support to the Palestinian cause, but got caught by the Brits before they could hook up with any local Arabs. |
Just clearing up that Arab groups did in fact help the Nazis materially.
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On the other hand, I could have mentioned Jewish fascists that were extremely cozy with the Nazis. Heck, as far as the Nazis were concerned, there were very few people who weren't in bed with them at one time or another. |
It's not clear to me what you mean by "Jewish fascists" and "cozy with the Nazis."
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The Jewish militias may not have been a monoltihc body, but even the Haganah carried out attacks during the war. However, "you" was a stupid and idiotic choice of words which I regret. Obviously, most Israelis had nothing to do with the war. |
It should be noted though that the British were trying to prevent Jews from escaping the Holocaust and this was the main reason that so many Jews opposed them. I'd say that the Jewish groups opposing the British made a net saving of lives by smuggling Jews into the country.
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:18
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Oh, him. Yeah, the Soviet Union was incredibly stupid when it came to Jews. It just seems stupid and petty and counter-productive. On the other hand, given that the priority Jewish culture places on education, and that many of these people were denied exit upon security grounds, there might have been something to Soviet claims. Most of he people trying to leave the USSR were well-educated folks, the kind of people no society can afford to left leave [i]enmasse. I'm not justifying what they did o him, or thousands of others, but they might have had a real fear that these gentlemen presented actual security risks. After all, it's not like Jews were the only people denied exit from the USSR.
A day late and a dollar short. The editor ought to resign or be fired.
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Natan
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New York State
Sep 2000
time: 00:18
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Oh, him. Yeah, the Soviet Union was incredibly stupid when it came to Jews. It just seems stupid and petty and counter-productive. |
As it had been since the days of the Ezvektzia (sp?) in the 1920s, IMHO, and just as the USSR was incredibly stupid in its dealings with Ukrainians, tatars, central asians, and everyone else. The Soviets had a weird policy of forcing assimilation but then preventing full integration.
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On the other hand, given that the priority Jewish culture places on education, and that many of these people were denied exit upon security grounds, there might have been something to Soviet claims. |
The Soviets would claim that anyone who lived in the same city as a well-publicized tank factory was a "security risk" and couldn't be allowed to emigrate. If security was the issue, they wouldn't have required immigrants to show they had a relative in Israel (or any other destination country) who wanted them to come. Unless by security you mean importance to the economy.
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Most of he people trying to leave the USSR were well-educated folks, the kind of people no society can afford to left leave [i]enmasse. I'm not justifying what they did o him, or thousands of others, but they might have had a real fear that these gentlemen presented actual security risks. After all, it's not like Jews were the only people denied exit from the USSR. |
Yes, the USSR basically didn't want to lose all its engineers. Letting out the Jews might have led to letting out others, and these would of course have been the most educated, and then the regime would collapse.
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A day late and a dollar short. The editor ought to resign or be fired. |
I think newspaper editors in his country who would apologize for that are a rare enough commodity to let him keep the job. Then again, I don't know that much about Al-Watan.
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DinoDoc
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AECCP loves Democracy
Sep 1999
time: 23:18
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Now for something completely different:
WASHINGTON (AP) — Authorities have arrested and deported since early last year dozens of young Israelis who represented themselves as art students in efforts to gain access to restricted buildings and homes, U.S. officials said.
The Israelis tried to get inside sensitive federal office buildings and the homes of government employees, the officials said.
A draft report from the Drug Enforcement Administration — which first characterized the activities as suspicious — said the youths' actions "may well be an organized intelligence-gathering activity."
Immigration officials deported the Israelis for visa violations; no criminal espionage charges were filed.
"At this time, the Department of Justice does not have information to support these accounts of Israeli students possibly committing espionage," said Susan Dryden, a department spokeswoman. The deputy U.S. attorney general, Larry Thompson, declined to discuss the arrests when asked about them during a news conference Tuesday.
Israeli Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Yaffa Ben-Ari said it was "nonsense" that the students were spying on the United States.
Another Foreign Ministry spokeswoman, Irit Stopper, confirmed that a few Israelis posing as art students were expelled from the United States for working without permits. However they were not accused of espionage, she said. She did not say how many Israelis were expelled and did not give any additional details.
The DEA report was first obtained by a French Web site that specializes in intelligence news, Intelligenceonline.com. DEA spokeswoman Rogene Waite in Washington confirmed that the agency had written a report on this subject and forwarded it to other law enforcement agencies.
"That these people are now traveling in the U.S. selling art seems not to fit their background," the DEA report said.
An FBI official, speaking on condition of anonymity, noted there were no espionage charges filed against any of the individuals and that they had been deported. Asked whether any spying activity occurred, the official repeated that no charges had been filed.
The arrests, made in an unspecified number of major U.S. cities from California to Florida, came amid public warnings from U.S. intelligence agencies about suspicious behavior by people posing as Israeli art students and "attempting to bypass facility security and enter federal buildings."
The Israelis were arrested and deported on charges of working in the United States without authorization or overstaying visits on tourist visas, said Russ Bergeron, a spokesman for the Immigration and Naturalization Service in Washington. He described dozens of arrests since early 2001 but gave no exact figures.
The DEA report said a majority of the students questioned by U.S. investigators acknowledged having served in units of the Israeli military specializing in military intelligence, electronic signals interception or explosive ordnance. The DEA said one person questioned was the son of a two-star Israeli general, one had served as the bodyguard to the head of the Israeli Army and another served in a Patriot missile unit.
Most Israeli men and women are conscripted into their nation's military service at age 18.
A Justice Department official, who also asked not to be identified, said investigators have been aware of some "alleged linkage" between the students and alleged espionage activities in the United States since early 2001, and said authorities have made arrests in Dallas, Chicago, San Diego and in south Florida. INS spokesman Rodney Germain in Miami said five or six people were arrested in that area at least six months ago on immigration counts.
Although security experts at the DEA first characterized the youths' behavior as suspicious, and INS authorities later arrested them, the FBI typically investigates espionage cases in the United States.
The U.S. Office of the National Counterintelligence Executive, a federal agency, circulated a public warning in March 2001 urging federal employees to report contact with people describing themselves as Israeli art students.
"These individuals have been described as aggressive," the warning said. "They attempt to engage employees in conversation rather than giving a sales pitch."
Cooperation with Israel, a longtime key ally, is increasingly important in the U.S. war on terrorism.
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:18
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Originally posted by Natan
Natan Sharansky. |
Why?
The man is a moron.
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20-03-2002 06:20
I guess I just had to get the last word. 
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