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Originally posted by faded glory
Damit paiktas. Are you talking about a greek province? Or the country of macedonia? Capitol Skopje? They are all Slavic. |
faded, the country you know as "macedonia" I call it FYROM (=former yugoslav republic of macedonia".) FYROM is its official name. That's the one wwhich is slavic and has Skopjie as its capital.
Macedonia is the name of a northern province of Greece. (where Alexander the Great came from as you said)
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Originally posted by KrazyHorse
The ancients certainly didn't see Macedonians as Greek...
Philip was seen as a foreign conqueror by most of the city-states. |
An ancient politician/philosopher a damn Athenian forgot his name said that Philip was a barbarian and his son too so that the rest of Greece would not accept macedonian hegemony over athenian one.
He failed.
Here are some "ancient quotes" that prove that greeks were athenian, theban, macedonian etc
Aetolians, Acarnanians, Macedonians, men of the same language"
T. Livius XXXI, 29, 15 (Loeb, E.T. Sage) ,
"And she conceived and bore to Zeus, who delights in the thunderbolt, two sons, Magnes and Macedon,
rejoicing in horses, who dwell round about Pieria and Olympus."
(Hesiod, Catalogues of Women and Eoiae 3 [Loeb, H.G. Evelyn-White])
"For in the days of king Deucalion it (i.e. a Makednian tribe) inhabited the land of Phthiotis, then in the time of Dorus, son of Hellen, the country called Histiaean, under Ossa and Olympus; driven by the Cadmeians from this Histiaean country it settled about Pindus in the parts called Macedonian; thence again it migrated to Dryopia, and at last came from Dryopia into Peloponnesus, where it took the name of Dorian."
(Herod. I, 56, 3 [Loeb, A.D. Godley])
"Tell your king (Xerxes), who sent you, how his Greek viceroy (Alexander I) of Macedonia has received you hospitably."
(Herod. V, 20, 4 [Loeb])
"Now, that these descendants of Perdiccas are Greeks, as they themselves say, I myself chance to know."
(Herod. V, 22, 1 [Loeb])
"The country by the sea which is now called Macedonia... Alexander, the father of Perdiccas,
and his forefathers, who were originally Temenidae from Argos"
Thucydides 99,3 (Loeb, C F Smith)
"But Alexander (I), proving himself to be an Argive, was judged to be a Greek;
so he contended in the furlong race and ran a dead heat for first place."
(Herod. V, 22, 2)
"The Peloponnesians that were with the fleet were ... the Lacedaimonians, ... the Corinthians, ...
the Sicyonians, ... the Epidaurians, ... the Troezenians, ... the people of Hermione there; all these,
except the people of Hermione, were of Dorian and Macedonian stock and had last come from
Erineus and Pindus and the Dryopian region."
(Herod. VIII, 43 {Loeb])
"Three brothers of the lineage of Temenos came as banished men from Argos to Illyria,
Gauanes and Aeropos and Perdiccas."
(Herod. VIII, 137, 1 [Loeb])
"For I (Alexander I) myself am by ancient descent a Greek,
and I would not willingly see Hellas change her freedom for slavery."
(Herod. IX, 45, 2 [Loeb])
"The country by the sea which is now called Macedonia ... Alexander I, the father of Perdiccas (II), and his forefathers, who were originally Temenidae from Argos."
(Thuc. II, 99, 3 [Loeb, C. F. Smith])
"Argos is the land of your fathers."
(Isoc., To Philip, 32 (Loeb, G. Norlin])
"It is your privilege, as one who has been blessed with untrammeled freedom,
to consider all Hellas your fatherland, as did the founder of your race."
(Isoc., To Philip, 127 [Loeb])
" ... all men will be grateful to you: the Hellenes for your kindness to them and the rest of the nations,
if by your hands they are delivered from barbaric despotism and are brought under the protection of Hellas."
(Isoc., To Philip, 154 [Loeb])
"This is a sworn treaty made between us, Hannibal ... and Xenophanes the Athenian ...
in the presence of all the gods who possess Macedonia and the rest of Greece."
(Pol. Histories, VII, 9, 4 [Loeb, W.R. Paton])
"How highly should we honor the Macedonians, who for the greater part of their lives never cease from fighting with the barbarians for the sake of the security of Greece? For who is not aware that Greece would have constantly stood in the greater danger, had we not been fenced by the Macedonians and the honorable ambition of their kings?"
(Pol. Hist., IX, 35, 2 [Loeb])
"And Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece."
(Strab. VII, Frg. 9 [Loeb, H.L. Jones])
"He sent to Athens three hundred Persian panoplies to be set up to Athena in the acropolis;
he ordered this inscription to be attached: Alexander, son of Philip, and the Greeks,
save the Lacedaimonians, set up these spoils from the barbarians dwelling in Asia."
(Arr. I, 16, 7 [Loeb, P. A. Brunt])
"Your ancestors invaded Macedonia and the rest of Greece and did us great harm, though we had done them no prior injury; ... (and) I have been appointed leader of the Greeks ..."
(Arr., Anab. Alex. II, 14, 4)
"They say that these were the tribes collected by Amphiktyon himself in the Greek Assembly: ... the Macedonians joined and the entire Phocian race ... In my day there were thirty members: six each from Nikopolis, Macedonia and Thessaly..."
(Paus. Phokis VIII, 2 & 4 [Loeb, W. Jones])
"Belistiche, a woman from the coast of Macedonia, won with the pair of foals ... at the hundred and twenty-ninth Olympics."
(Paus. Eleia VIII, 11 [Loeb])
"Yet through Alexander (the Great) Bactria and the Caucasus learned to revere the gods of the Greeks ... Alexander established more than seventy cities among savage tribes, and sowed all Asia with Greek magistracies ... Egypt would not have its Alexandria, nor Mesopotamia its Seleucia, nor Sogdiana its Prophthasia, nor India its Bucephalia, nor the Caucasus a Greek city, for by the founding of cities in these places savagery was extinguished and the worse element, gaining familiarity with the better, changed under its influence."
(Plut. Moralia. On the Fortune of Alexander, I, 328D, 329A Loeb, F.C. Babbitt)
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Athens, Hellas
Jan 2000
time: 07:18
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Originally posted by Lars-E
So I was getting up close and personal with paiktis22... Don't think so.
I wasn't degrading your country and you know it. Paiktis22 on the other hand as axi pointed out... |
I wasn't too 
Well, yes paiktis did insulted your country but I think paiktis is simply trolling and overprotecting Greece's international image sometimes but be sure that he doesn't really means what he says.
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Originally posted by Lars-E
Wealth? Live with it. Newly rich ppl are often accused of showing off and being tacky/vulgar. |
I do live with it everyday
That doesn't mean that I am not going to talk about it 
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Originally posted by Lars-E
For some reason you turned a blind eye to my question to paiktis22: "How am I doing on the smugness thermometer?". |
I am sorry, I might have missed it. Why? Is that important?
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Originally posted by Lars-E
And here's a new concept for you: TROLL. Yes, they actually come from my country. It's part of our folklore. |
Troll? Oh, I do know that consept too well, beleive me
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Originally posted by Lars-E
Too much feta cheese? |
Not for days!
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Originally posted by Lars-E
Sense of humor is also common at Apolyton. |
Was that a humor? My appologies but I am not into nordic "jokes" lately 
quote:
Originally posted by Lars-E
So we have been behind Greece economy-wise in the past? |
If we go in parallel through history then no. Near half of your existance we spent it enslaved with no national state.
If we go through all our history then yes, we did had a stronger economy compared to yours once.
Besides the Greek communities in Europe during 17th-19th centuries had a great wealth.
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Originally posted by Lars-E
What do you think ppl learn in school? Greek history and "wisdom" is an essential part of human history.
I read some philosophy and other Geeky stuff at uni. |
Happy to hear that. I might have get confused as you mostly mentioned wars instead of far more important aspects of Greece on your general presentation.
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Originally posted by Lars-E
Have you read any Nordic history?? |
Yes, I do. I know about your kingdoms in Normandia & Sicily/South Italy, the conquest of England by the Normands in 1066, your extensive settlements on northern England, your voyages in Iceland, Greenland and North America, that the name Russia comes from your people and their first kingdom was accually a nordic one, the Swedish occupation of Baltic, the Danish and Sweidish involvements in the 30 years war, your supreme seafaring and many other stuff.
I do know the history of many countries and past civilizations but do not expect me to know your history in detail
BTW, I like your Mythology 
quote:
Originally posted by Lars-E
The rethors of Areopagus? Any recommendations? |
There are lot of Greek rethors. Visit a search engine...
You could start with Demosthenes.
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:18
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quote:
Originally posted by VetLegion
your beloved Russia is shrinking in population by 750000 yearly, they already have couple million chinese living in their part of siberia, the pressure in cauchacus is exausting them... 
that is too bad, since I really like russia. they are slavs after all  |
Well, well, well...... still waiting when wounded Russian bear gone die? 
I suppose it tooks all your life time for waiting. Good, that you mentioned that we are slavs, it means that we'll never surrender, we recovered from more dangerous situation and will recover now.
Russkie ne zdayutsya!!!!
Btw, how many millons of Chenese live in USA? We by ourselfs don't know nothing exact nombers about our population, last general check of population was decade ago and next gone happen this year, caucasus is not exausting us anymore.
paiktis, keep beting on us!
Soon we'll recover from caos of years of Yeltsin's rule and then....
A.... btw, what question was about when you said RUSSIA< RUSSIA?
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21-03-2002 02:35
Does this thing has anything to do with ancient Mecadonian language? 
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