29-03-2002 04:25									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Cloud9 How in the heck could you say that loinburger?!?!?! Of course a fetus is a human being, or else it would be born as something else! Geesh!

I do not believe that an embryo is a human being; regardless of genetic similarities, a one-celled organism is not a "human." A newborn is a human being, no question about it. Therefore, between the embryo an the newborn (the fetus) lies a gray area.

	29-03-2002 04:26									#32
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We could go on forever with this. Their are about 50 death penalty crimes in the United States. There's no telling how many there are throughout the world. Sad. Sad. Sad.

	29-03-2002 04:26									#33
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I am pro-death, so thats a "yes" on both questions for me.

	29-03-2002 04:27									#34
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I'm pro death. I think we need more death so we can get rid of all the idiots in this world. Kill 'em all.

	29-03-2002 04:29									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Peacemaker I'm pro death. I think we need more death so we can get rid of all the idiots in this world. Kill 'em all.

Sounds good to me, lets start with you.

	29-03-2002 04:32									#36
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Now I wish I would've never posted this thread. It's making me sick hearing people talk about pro-death. Excuse me, I need to throw up.

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	29-03-2002 04:34									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Cloud9 Now I wish I would've never posted this thread. It's making me sick hearing people talk about pro-death. Excuse me, I need to throw up. !@#$%^&*()_+{}|:"<>?

	29-03-2002 04:44									#38
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quote: Sounds good to me, lets start with you.

Can't do that I the only smart one around.

quote: Now I wish I would've never posted this thread. It's making me sick hearing people talk about pro-death. Excuse me, I need to throw up. !@#$%^&*()_+{}|:"<>?

What's the difference between saying pro-choice and pro death.

	29-03-2002 04:57									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Peacemaker What's the difference between saying pro-choice and pro death.

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	29-03-2002 04:59									#40
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I'm against abortion so we have a larger pool to put to death later.



If the fetus is aborted, is that not God's will?

	29-03-2002 05:05									#41
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quote: Originally posted by MBloomIII If the fetus is aborted, is that not God's will?

Its Gods will that we all die my son...

	29-03-2002 06:06									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Cloud9 How in the heck could you say that loinburger?!?!?! Of course a fetus is a human being, or else it would be born as something else! Geesh!

My post is ignored. Poor me.

	29-03-2002 06:51									#43
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you could call me pro choice with heavy restrictions

or

you could call me pro life with many exceptions

	29-03-2002 06:53									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Tuomerehu My post is ignored. Poor me.

I usually take it as a compliment, as in "My post must have been so extraordinarily intelligent, nobody was able to come up with a reasonable response to it."

	29-03-2002 07:02									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Snapcase I too am sceptical of connecting the two in any way. The Death Penalty is an exceedingly simple issue, where moral and legal oughts are inescapably connected and which is almost apolitical in that it's all about your ethical choices and not about power relations. My personal system of ethics considers it wrong.

You could compare the two in this way:

Death Penalty- they did something wrong and deserve to die.
Abortion- Someone (mother or rapist) did something wrong or stupid and deserve to die.

(Just an idea)

Personally I am against Abortion except for Death exceptions, possibly rape, and possibly 50% or higher mental deficiency chances.

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Well a fetus (SP?) is not a living thing of its own accord until what the third trimester? Meaning if it is removed from the mother's womb it cannot survive on it's own. Well in that respect I don't think it is murder. If a fetus can feal wouldn't birth be very painfull? Maybe that is why we cannot remember that early in our lives.

Also is it wrong if the person is raped or molested by a relative and they want an abortion.

If my someone close to me was raped and got pregnant from it, you can bet your butt I would want them to get an abortion. Especially if it was my wife!!!


As far as the death penalty, I think it depends on the crime and circumstances. Like that lady that drowned her kids. I mean she hunted them down for crying out loud. She should not only be put to death, but it should be done in the same mannerthat she did it to them, but more slowly. There is no mistake it was her.

Call me sick and twisted, but someone who hurts a child deserves it.

Oh well these are just in my opinion.

	29-03-2002 09:07									#47
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Question to be defined "Pro life" "Pro Choice" For whom?
Then I will vote lets be real here for whom do we ask the question....

	29-03-2002 09:08									#48
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Triple post a record for me....

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	29-03-2002 09:15									#50
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Lab rats are treated better...

	29-03-2002 09:20									#51
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What?

	29-03-2002 09:23									#52
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quote: If my someone close to me was raped and got pregnant from it, you can bet your butt I would want them to get an abortion. Especially if it was my wife!!!

Why because the human had no right to exsist in the first place? or because the human was violated in the first place? The rights of the victim before the rights of the victim? hummmm ok so who are the victims in this case.... both it would seem...It appears the inability to allow life superseeds emotions here...

	29-03-2002 09:26									#53
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BLACKICE!!! Plzzzzzzzzzz, quit spamming this thread. Thank you.

	29-03-2002 09:35									#54
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Sorry, but my wife would come before a thing that exists, because it is made up of 50 living cells. Do you swat mosquitoes? They are alive and they feel pain. What is the difference?

Your arguments don't make any sense, anyway.

	29-03-2002 09:45									#55
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Cloud9

quote: BLACKICE!!! Plzzzzzzzzzz, quit spamming this thread. Thank you.

Spam????? valid point wake up...or does it go beyond your simple mind?

quote: Sorry, but my wife would come before a thing that exists, because it is made up of 50 living cells. Do you swat mosquitoes? They are alive and they feel pain. What is the difference?

quote: Your arguments don't make any sense, anyway.

A child can follow it admit it you have no response but this tripe...
You compare a mosquitoe to a human and you talk about sense...get some PlEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. you need it. "A Thing" you call a human a "thing"?
Cells? you need a wake up call....

	29-03-2002 09:48									#56
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quote: Originally posted by blackice "A Thing" you call a human a "thing"?

You're begging the question.

	29-03-2002 10:00									#58
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quote: You're begging the question.

I see no question a sperm interacts with an egg it will in most cases become a human...When a human is born ask them do you want to die...

Welcome to life in the food chain certain facts remain constant...everyone has a right to live born or not. The arguement seems to allways be "they can not form thoughs" so they have no voice...is this how we treat mentaly challenged people? Some can not form thoughts, actions, he*l some can barely function but they have rights...it appears only because they are formed........The fact remains chaces are they will form and have an opinion...

	29-03-2002 10:04									#59
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I am against the death penalty but I would kill anyone who raped or killed my wife or kids.

I am against abortion but would have my wife abort a child to save her life.

I guess it just proves that moral high ground is a hard thing to take in certain situations.

	29-03-2002 10:06									#60
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quote: Originally posted by blackice I see no question a sperm interacts with an egg it will in most cases become a human

Exactly, it will in most cases become a human. Certainly at birth the child is human, but a single-celled embryo can hardly be called a human.

quote: When a human is born ask them do you want to die...

There is no question that a newborn is a human.

quote: Welcome to life in the food chain certain facts remain constant...everyone has a right to live born or not.

Every human? Certainly. A single-celled organism is not a human, any more than a sperm is a human or a blood cell is a human.

quote: The arguement seems to allways be "they can not form thoughs" so they have no voice...

No, the argument is that an embryo cannot exist independently of the mother, therefore it cannot be argued that it is "alive" or at the very least it cannot be argued that it is "human." A fetus is, as I have pointed out, a grey area. An embryo is not.