06-04-2002 19:05									#121
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Zinni in Rammalah.

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	06-04-2002 21:29									#122
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Pictures show he's handcuffed after his head was shot. Why do you handcuff a corpse? Either he was handcuffed before he was shot, or handcuffed after he was shot. Supposedly the bomb was on his chest, but it doesn't look like there's anything holding his chest up while he's just lying on the ground. Which doesn't mean there wasn't.

I had a long post when IE decided to crash

Well, we don't have any photos of him alive and without contact with the bomb, so I assume he was killed before he left contact, especially during it's removal.

To think otherwise would be illogical, since in all previous cases, IDF never assassinated the terrorists and instead arrested them and interrogated them and then tried them.

	07-04-2002 23:20									#123
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov To think otherwise would be illogical, since in all previous cases, IDF never assassinated the terrorists and instead arrested them and interrogated them and then tried them.

Eh??

What kind of a trial involves firing missiles from helicopters, I wonder?

Ah well! I guess that's different, since in those cases, the terrorist is never in IDF custody and I understand there is some sort of a trial or court order involved...

What you're saying is that we've never seen them kill their prisoners after disarming them, which I suppose is true enough.

	07-04-2002 23:49									#124
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quote: Originally posted by Guardian What you're saying is that we've never seen them kill their prisoners after disarming them, which I suppose is true enough.

Well, there was this one case, which was uncovered in 1984 or so....

It was a huge scandalous thing. An investigation comitte was formed and people were tried.

The commander of the GSS team who did this, was sentanced to some 20+ years, but in a controversial move, was parolled by the President, for his service to the country so far. Immediatelly the Attorney General resigned in protest.

To this day, the former commander is disallowed from working in any post dealing with security, and recently Supreme Justice Court ruled he cant' serve as a special advisor on anti-terror strategy either.

The GSS chief who ordered the execution was sacked... I don't think he got time, but I don't really know.

	09-04-2002 17:24									#125
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Withdrawing from the West Bank city of Tulkarem...

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	09-04-2002 17:30									#126
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From the withdrawal...

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	09-04-2002 17:32									#127
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	09-04-2002 17:36									#128
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An Israeli soldier flashes a victory sign as he passes the reporters.

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	09-04-2002 17:43									#129
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During a funeral, about 1,000 Palestinians clap and chant... "Death to Israel!"

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	09-04-2002 17:56									#130
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Thanks for the balance Guardian, it is saddengly rare for someone to be able to have a balanced viewpoint in the face of such Carnage.

	09-04-2002 18:03									#131
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Well, I do have the privilegue of watching it from thousands of miles away, with no risk to myself or anyone I know. That tends to make it easier...

	09-04-2002 18:12									#132
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quote: Originally posted by Guardian Well, I do have the privilegue of watching it from thousands of miles away, with no risk to myself or anyone I know. That tends to make it easier...

And More Objective.... Mind you having watched an Interviewer called Shepherd on Fox News, Distance does not always breed rational objectivity...

Here I am privelidged to see some 50 News Channels, and unfortunately many breed hatred by biased reporting either one way or the other....

The biggest issue seems to be that both sides see themeselves as reactionary rather than po-actionary, and such cyclical Violence breeds absolute self belief in both sides being right, and thus every peace attempt so far has been consigned to History... Bravery under these circumstances is the side who says enough, lets talk... But it seems those words will be drowned by the screams of the dead and dying, by the grief of mothers and sons, by the cries of nations for 'Justice'.

	09-04-2002 18:28									#133
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All too true!

Like those people in the funeral, crying for "Death to Israel!"

Both sides claim to want peace, and yet people on both sides keep crying for more blood, more death, more funerals!

-And we're supposed to just accept that and still think of them as nice and decent, innocent people, 'cause it is the other side that's keeping it all going!

Well, I'm not buying into that.
The expression might seem somewhat out of place in this context, but... well, it takes two to tango!

	09-04-2002 18:37									#134
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The events this morning in Jenin will influence the future of the Middle East for months. You will have plenty of pictures to post.

	09-04-2002 18:47									#135
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War in the Middle East has been going on for generations.
Doubtful much will ever change.

	09-04-2002 18:52									#136
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A scorpion was sitting on the West Bank of the River Jordan.

He was trying to figure out a way to cross the river.
As he sat there pondering, a mule came along, picked a shallow part of the river and started moving in that direction, clearly intending to wade across. The scorpion scrambled to catch up, calling out for the mule to wait. The mule paused and looked around, trying to see who was talking to him. When he saw that it was a scorpion, he turned away and kept moving. The scorpion called out again, pleading with the mule to please stop and listen for one minute. Reluctantly, the mule agreed, and paused to wait for the scorpion to catch up.

"Thank you!", said the scorpion as he climbed up on a rock next to the mule, then paused for a moment to catch his breath. "I was wondering", he gulped, "if you mean to cross the river?"
The mule nodded slowly. "Yes", he said, surveying the river, "I'm gonna cross it, all right."
The scorpion was getting eager now. "Can I ride across on your back?"
The mule stiffened, took a couple of steps away and snorted angrily. "Hell no!", he said. "You'll sting me!"
"No, no!", cried the scorpion. "I would not! I could not!"
"Think!", he cried, hopping up and down and gesturing towards the river. "If I was to sting you while we're out there, you'd never make the crossing and we'd both drown! That wouldn't make any sense!"
The mule considered that for a while, then reluctantly accepted the point. "All right then", he said finally, "But you're getting off as soon as we're on dry land again!" The scorpion nodded vigoriously. "Sure, sure! I promise!" The mule eyed him carefully for a few moments longer, then stepped up to the rock and waited. The scorpion cheered as he climbed on board, and together they waded out into the river.

As soon the mule had all his feet in the water, he paused and said to the scorpion, "Remember your promise?"
"Sure, sure!", cried the scorpion. "I won't sting you! -And I'm getting off as soon as we're across!"
The mule nodded in agreement and kept going, and the water got deeper and deeper around them. The crossing was going along smoothly, until - just as they were crossing the deepest point in the river - the scorpion buried his fangs in the mule's neck.

"Ouch!", cried the mule. "You stang me anyway! Now we'll both drown! Why did you do that? This doesn't make any sense! Why?!"

And as they both started to go under, the scorpion climbed up on the mule's head and whispered into his ear,

"Welcome to the Middle East!"

	13-04-2002 00:45									#137
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Boo!

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	13-04-2002 01:04									#138
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BAH!

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	16-04-2002 23:34									#139
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Congratulation Guardian for your unbias picture gallery. Very instructive.

Pitty that Eli was very bias, but since he is an jew living in Israel, is understandable.

	17-04-2002 12:10									#140
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A nun walks past posters reading : "Israel must live" on Friday April 12, 2002 to promote a pro-Israel rally in downtown Rome. After a pro-Palestinian march in Rome which saw some participants dress up as suicide bombers and prompted worries about a resurgence of anti-semitism in Italy, Rome has been plastered with posters to promote the pro-Israel march from city hall to the city's main synagogue on Monday April 15, 2002.

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	17-04-2002 12:13									#141
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Efrat Ravid, 20, sits in a wheelchair in the physical therapy department of a Jerusalem hospital. Ravid was wounded in a suicide bombing at a Jerusalem cafe in March, an attack which killed 11 Israelis, including a young girl who sat next to her.

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	17-04-2002 12:14									#142
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	17-04-2002 12:18									#143
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Clara Rosenberger rests in her hospital bed in Jerusalem, Friday, April 12, 2002. Rosenberger, a Holocaust survivor, was wounded in the March 27th suicide bombing that killed 28 people at a Netanya banquet hall where 250 people were eating a ritual Seder meal to mark the start of the Jewish Passover holiday.

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	17-04-2002 12:22									#144
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An Israeli soldier squats near demolished buildings in the Jenin refugee camp in the northern West Bank, Sunday, April 14, 2002. Israel's army took journalists through part of the devastated refugee camp, the scene of heavy fighting, and rejected Palestinian accusations that large numbers of civilians were killed.

The journalists all made sure to point out that they had only seen what the army wanted them to see...

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	17-04-2002 12:25									#145
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A man and a woman holding Israeli national flags demonstrate for solidarity with Israel in Berlin on Sunday, April 14, 2002. About 800 people took part in the demonstration against attacks by Palestinian suicide bombers in Israel.

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	17-04-2002 12:28									#146
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Family members grieve over the grave of suicide bomb victim Yelena Konrab during her funeral in Jerusalem Sunday, April 14, 2002. Konrab was one of six killed by a female suicide bomber in downtown Jerusalem on Friday.

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	17-04-2002 12:37									#147
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Israeli tanks make their way through Jenin on Tuesday, April 16, 2002. The Palestinians say thousands of people are unaccounted for in Jenin and that hundreds could be dead beneath the dozens of wrecked buildings. Israel says it believes the number of dead is far lower.

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	17-04-2002 12:48									#148
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Jenin...

A Palestinian woman sits in what used to be her living room...

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	17-04-2002 12:54									#149
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Israeli soldiers taking a break with their dog. The dog is supposedly trained to find explosives and is there to help them locate hidden bombs or ammunition stockpiles.

The graffiti in the background reads something like, "The group of the martyr, the hero Loui Dabaya. We will retaliate against Sharon and his followers. Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades".

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	17-04-2002 12:59									#150
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Still hanging on the wall of a destroyed house is a Palestinian poster with faces replaced by Stars of David. The poster supposedly shows a member of the Al-Aqsa Brigades, Samir Ahwas, who was killed when an Israeli Apache helicopter attacked his car on March 9, 2002. It reads "We will avenge the death of Samir"

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