06-06-2002 02:47									#271
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Okay, I guess I can just post this publicly:

If the German player has, infact, been cheating (via hex editing the save or whatever - and I hope he has not - I trust he will explain this and the game will continue) then we have a problem. If no satisfactory explanation is given, the game in not over, we just have no choice but to fairly partision Germany through the League of Nations and execute a plan to remove the Germans from the game. Perhaps the CivCity utillity could be use on the save to redistribute German cities? This would prevent us from even needing to fight it out.

	06-06-2002 03:24									#272
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This really is strange Let Scott get back to us and then we'll see what we have to do.

I don't think we need to partition Germany, just get a new player if this is true. Also if we did, it would be easy enough through playing Mulitplayer at the same time as the German player ie Germany and France online trade cities.

I hope it isn't needed...

	06-06-2002 03:52									#273
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So far in the elections for Secretary-General of the League of Nations:

The ANZAC: 1 vote
Jacobite1688: 1 vote

UK: The ANZAC
Russia: Jacobite1688
France: na
Italy: na
Austria-Hungary: na
Germany: na
Ottoman Empire: na

	06-06-2002 07:03									#274
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Hmmm....

BTW no conficence vote hasn't been given yet, so hold your horse's anzac... please

Last edited by Soundwave on 06-06-2002 at 08:51

	06-06-2002 09:12									#275
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According to ANZAC all a new election takes is a proposal and a confirmation. He proposed, and I confirmed, so I thought that a new election would come now, not a vote on whether we will elect.

	06-06-2002 11:47									#276
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Scott, please, your explanations???

I'm not accusing you of something, BUT SAS noticed something weird!! So I'm quite willing to believe any sensible explanation, but this explanation seems to be needed...

And to the others: please, don't jump on him too early! Let Scott speak before talking about cheating, or dismembering Germany, or whatever!

I haven't got much experience in pbem, but it's not the first time someone is accused of cheating in one where I take part, and the last time... he was not guilty!!! As some of you surely remember...

	06-06-2002 11:55									#277
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I agree, Cyrion. I'm barely even paying attention to this until Scott gets a word in.

	06-06-2002 18:48									#278
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Fair enough, I did mention that I hope he will explain it all. Perhaps I am getting ahead. Its just even if the units were gifted from somebody else, another Civ would have VERY low numbers of units. We will see...

	07-06-2002 00:27									#279
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In the Disraeli proposals that everyone agreed to, it says one motion and one supporting no confidence vote is enough to start elections, with a reason as well. I have looked on the internet to see how exactly it is done in parliamentary democracies, but I haven't been able to find anything about the UK as it has no constitution Can anyone tell me how the no confidence vote works in your country, expecially Britain.

When the election finishes, I'd like to try to make a workin constitution for the League.

	07-06-2002 01:06									#280
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Sorry to take the fun out of the game, but if Scott have cheated i consider the game dead

	07-06-2002 01:10									#281
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Well I know Exile would like that.

I'm troubled since Scott F is in two other games I'm in, and if he did then they probably wouldn't want him there either.

	07-06-2002 01:47									#282
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quote: Originally posted by sas Sorry to take the fun out of the game, but if Scott have cheated i consider the game dead

We are getting ahead of ourselves. But If the game continues (as it should - no matter what ) the new S.G. will be responsible for drawing up a constitution for the League of Nations. How no confedence votes work in the U.K. is irrelavent becasue our nations agreed to the Disraeli proposal which said (AFAIK) that elections can be called by two people expressing dissatisfaction.
That has happened. I'll add my voice as well, so that is three.

As I said, even if Germany has to be removed from the game, we should continue. Sas, there were historical situations simmilar to what may have happened / may yet happen here. It may make the game MORE interesting. We will see.

	07-06-2002 02:32									#283
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sas: It doesn't have to be dead. And we are jumping the gun a little

Jacobite: you are right with the point abou the Disraeli proposal. But I am just thinking that it coul dbe taken advantage of and not used fairly, so I wanted to see what other things are out there.

If I do get elected, though, I am going to rework completely a constitution and reform the current League; as of right now the League doe not have much power or authority.

BTW anymore votes? I don't want to have to round you guys up

	07-06-2002 02:37									#284
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I guess I'll throw in a vote for ANZAC, so I don't have to get bugged about this later. Note that this is the Ottoman Empire's vote, not the vote of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. That I assume will be cast by Soundwave.

	07-06-2002 02:51									#285
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France's votes goes to it's British Friend ANZAC.

	07-06-2002 02:57									#286
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Though we have no signed alliance with anyone, Russia considers the U.K. to be a natural friend. To illustrate these warm feelings, and to speed up the reform of the league, The Russian candiate will withdraw from the S.G. election. We look forward to working closely with ANZAC, as Our vote for him gives him a majorty.

Now, lets get to work.

	07-06-2002 03:13									#287
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I don't know what is wrong. I've been buying units like mad since the start of the game (after rushing some industrial improvements and engineers), much to the detriment of my science rate (Austria will likely get techs before I do). There have also been a lot of file changes by soundwave since the start of the game. Does anyone have a copy of the specific rules files so that we can all be on the right page with regards to that? If I've been using an old or wrong rules file, I'm sorry. Other than that, I don't know what could be wrong.

	07-06-2002 03:14									#288
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Oh, and Germany will vote for Britain in the Secretary General election.

	07-06-2002 03:29									#289
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I'm prepared to believe that. Since it's been a while I thought I'd post that it is sas' turn, assuming that this settles it.

	07-06-2002 03:37									#290
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No, i'm afraid that doesnt settle it. It still dont explain how you can build 59 Units in on turn. And for the other rounds you allso build a lot of units. The cost to build that amount of units in so little time is simple impossible, even if he sold all his improvements in all his cities.

-Sas-

	07-06-2002 03:42									#291
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Oops, sorry sas, you're right. Regardless of the rules dile being different, the Germans have only 39 cities. Even if the rules file had every unit cost ten shields, he could still build no more than 39, and that's it. Hmmm...

	07-06-2002 03:58									#292
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The cost to rush buy a single French infantry is 320 gold. At the rate he buit his units (not considering the 59 units issue) he would have rush build at least 100 units. Infantry as the cheapest alternative would have cost 32.000 gold.

	07-06-2002 04:05									#293
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I hope you guys are remembering that the pop-up box with the city/unit details is rather buggy, and often takes a while to update (eg when you capture a new city it won't show it for a while).

	07-06-2002 04:31									#294
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Case does have a point. Maybe we could have someone outside of this game peak in on the unit numbers in the save on the German turn just so we can see if there are outrageous amounts of units?

Great Britain celebrates win for SG!

I am very happy to accept this honor with gratitude and I want to do as much as possible to build up the League as a respectable organization. First, I am planning to make a working constitution for thre League so its laws and processes are setup. Also I would like to have this open for discussion among the League members as well. I will have a draft ready as soon as possible. Suggestions are welcome!

	07-06-2002 06:41									#295
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I guess my vote doesn't count?

Anyway i would of voted for anzac anyway... as i am allied with him.

BTW, whos turn is it?

and about scott: did you cheat or not? if you didn't very well, if not fine.

	07-06-2002 08:11									#296
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It's sas's turn but he doesn't want to go until this cheating business is sorted out. I think at least now Scott would be paying more attention to the thread, but I guess not.

	07-06-2002 10:23									#297
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Scott's only got limited access to the internet
(from memory, he uses a computer at the local library)

	07-06-2002 18:22									#298
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Could we get someone from outside the game to look at the save and decided if there is something irregular? I want to see the game continue, so I am prepared to accept ANY believable explanation. Could Scott have an events file or some such that would give him units?

	07-06-2002 18:32									#299
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Yes, I think the only way to settle this (IMHO) is that someone from outside takes a look at the saves : is that alright with you, Scott??


And for the SG: it seems that, once again, the League is ignoring Italy, as the congratulations for the election are flying even BEFORE Italy cast its vote...

Not that I mind ANZAC's election, but as the League has nothing to do with Italy and keeps on ignoring us, we have no other choice than to resign from the League!!

So let it be known that Italy quits the League at once!

	07-06-2002 18:40									#300
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Come, now! Congratulations are being issued because the U.K. has acchieved an unbeatable majority! Not because we are ignoring our Italian friends. Please reconsider your exit from the League. Perhaps Italy was not well treated in the Spanish arrangement: this is all the more reason to stay with us and help reform the League in to something fair and useful. Do not take the path of isolation for you will need friends in the future and none will come to your aid if you turn your back on the League now. The Italian Empire has a DUTY to remain in the League, to insure peace in Europe & the world.

Please reconsider, Russia left and returned, just retract the statement.