Apolyton Archive  |  Preserved copy of the Apolyton Civilization Site and its forums as they stood in September 2005. Read-only; nothing here can be posted to or replied to.  |  Forum index |  About this archive |  The 1998–2001 UBB forums
Today on Apolyton WARDELL INTERVIEW PROMO A.C.S. HISTORY CHAPTER 4 GET CIV4 /w FREE PLUS! A.C.S. PHOTO GALLERY GET A.O.M. V1.1
Apolyton Civilization Forums
main| civ2| civ3| civ4| smac| ctp2| ron| moo3| galciv| galciv2| alt| about|
ApolytonPLUS | register | search | faq | new posts | pm (-/-) | upload | members
hall of fame new! | civgroups | civgroups news | interviews | the column | radio | chat | directory | news | store | PLUS
Apolyton Civilization Forums : Powered by vBulletin version 2.0.3 Apolyton Civilization Forums > Miscellaneous > Archive > Off-Topic-Archive > Race differences
Show a Printable Version | Email This Page to Someone! | Receive updates to this thread | Report this to Apolyton news!

bottom of page
  
Author
Thread   
Pages (10): [ 1   2   3   4   5   6     >> ]
< Last Thread     Next Thread > Post New Thread     Post A Reply
chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
King
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 04:12 Visit chegitz guevara's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#61 Report this post to a moderator
Suffering from ads?

quote:
Originally posted by reds4ever
i'd always understood 'race' to a sub class of 'species'


This is correct. A race is is a biologically distinct group within a species that does not interbreed with other members of its species. IIRC, they can breed, they just don't.

reds4ever is offline reds4ever
Prince
of the Spion Kop
Mar 2001
time: 05:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 04:14
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#62 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote:
Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Speciation refers to groups of animals dividing into different "species." That's not at issue here. We're talking about whether phenotypes = biological races, which they do not.

Currently, there is only one human race.


how many species of dog are there, how many races of dog?



i'm not being awkward, but i'd like to know where the boundary lies, and does it lie in a different place for humans?

BeBro is offline BeBro
King
of the Krauts
Mar 2000
time: 06:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 04:14 Visit BeBro's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#63 Report this post to a moderator
Get a bigger avatar today!

quote:
Originally posted by Ramo
Try this (you'll note that it's from the HGP people themselves).

http://www.ornl.gov/hgmis/elsi/minorities.html


Unfortunaely, I can´t access this site, do you have another link? I really would like to read it

DinoDoc is offline DinoDoc
Emperor
AECCP loves Democracy
Sep 1999
time: 23:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 04:16
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#64 Report this post to a moderator
For you. Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

quote:
Originally posted by BeBro
Unfortunaely, I can´t access this site, do you have another link? I really would like to read it


quote:
Minorities, Race, and Genomics

The U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Human Genome Program devotes 3% to 5% of its annual Human Genome Project (HGP) budget toward studying the ethical, legal, and social issues (ELSI) surrounding availability of genetic information. Some of these projects study potential affects of ELSI, others seek to educate professionals through literature, conferences, workshops, and multimedia. Among the programs funded by DOE ELSI are educational materials for physicians, educators, students, clergy, and judges and other legal professionals.

One of these programs is a partnership with the National Educational Foundation of Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc. The sorority has planned and conducted three major informational conferences on the Human Genome Project and its impact on minority communities. The conferences covered a variety of topics--from basic genetics and HGP history to gene testing and careers in genetics. Held in Atlanta in 2001, Philadelphia in 2000, and New Orleans in 1999, these conferences have sparked numerous follow-up meetings and training sessions led by members of the educational foundation. [Proceedings from the 2000 conference are available online.]

In 1996, DOE HGP partnered with Tuskegee University to present the 3-day conference, Plain Talk About the Human Genome Project. The conference brought together internationally recognized scientists, bioethicists, and legal scholars from government, industry, and academia to discuss the ethical, legal, and social implications (ELSI) of the use and misuse of genetic information. In rare "both-sides-of-the-argument" discussions, speakers expressed apprehension about the project and the use of its resulting genetic information. Concerns ranged from the fear of actuarial classifications of "genetic exceptionalism" to the burden African Americans would face if they were among those labeled by some as a biological underclass. Focused particularly on how the data might affect African Americans, the meeting was also a vehicle for students from Tuskegee and other historically black institutions to meet with genome scientists, hear the issues, and explore career possibilities in genomics. Proceedings from this conference are available as a book, Plain Talk About the Human Genome Project, 292 pp., 1997.

About 150 leaders of minority communities came together in June 1997, at the University of Maryland, Baltimore (UMB) to learn about the Human Genome Project. The DOE HGP-sponsored meeting's goals were to (1) inform minority communities about the Human Genome Project by explaining its potential benefits and clarifying its possible ethical, legal, and social implications (ELSI); and (2) make the aspirations and interests of these communities known to genome project scientists and policymakers. This program grew from organizers' concerns about an information vacuum among minorities regarding the genome project and the possibility that suspicions will arise about the project's intent. Proceedings from this conference have been combined with an essay that was not part of the conference to form the book, The Human Genome Project and Minority Communities: Ethical, Social, and Political Dilemmas, edited by Raymond Zilinskas (Monterey Institute of International Studies) and Peter Balint (University of Maryland). It addresses the divisions between minority groups and the scientific community, particularly in the area of medical and genetic research. 144 pp., 2000. [Available through bookstores, including online suppliers.]

BeBro is offline BeBro
King
of the Krauts
Mar 2000
time: 06:18
Thumbs up  Old Post 10-04-2002 04:18 Visit BeBro's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#65 Report this post to a moderator
Thanks Got spare money?

Ramo is offline Ramo
King
Austin, Texas, USA
Oct 1999
time: 23:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 04:22 Visit Ramo's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#66 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Actually, I was referring to the articles that HGP group referenced. Do you want links?

BeBro is offline BeBro
King
of the Krauts
Mar 2000
time: 06:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 04:24 Visit BeBro's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#67 Report this post to a moderator
Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

quote:
Originally posted by Ramo
Actually, I was referring to the articles that HGP group referenced. Do you want links?


Yup, would be nice

Peacemaker is offline Peacemaker
Warlord
Go fat early.
Feb 2000
time: 00:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 04:27
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#68 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Why is this theory so hard to understand? You need to stop looking at this as just a balck and white issue. As groups af animals breed they devolop their own traits. Be it size, strength, intelligence or any other trait.


If we look at this issue with dogs insteed of humans and look at the difference at breeds(race) most would say certian breeds of dogs are smarter than others. If this is true for dogs then why can't it be true for humans.


Let the feast begin.

Ramo is offline Ramo
King
Austin, Texas, USA
Oct 1999
time: 23:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 04:28 Visit Ramo's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#69 Report this post to a moderator
The titles sound relevant on these: Inflate your Upload Space

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2001/04/olson-p1.htm
http://news.bmn.com/hmsbeagle/97/notes/profile
http://news.bmn.com/hmsbeagle/27/people/pressbox.htm
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/first/race.html
http://www.nap.edu/books/0309059313/html/index.html
http://www.aaanet.org/stmts/racepp.htm
http://www.africana.com/DailyArticl...ex_20010129.htm

BeBro is offline BeBro
King
of the Krauts
Mar 2000
time: 06:18
Thumbs down  Old Post 10-04-2002 04:30 Visit BeBro's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#70 Report this post to a moderator
If birds can fly why not humans Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote:
Originally posted by Peacemaker
Why is this theory so hard to understand? You need to stop looking at this as just a balck and white issue. As groups af animals breed they devolop their own traits. Be it size, strength, intelligence or any other trait.


If we look at this issue with dogs insteed of humans and look at the difference at breeds(race) most would say certian breeds of dogs are smarter than others. If this is true for dogs then why can't it be true for humans.


Let the feast begin.


Or better not

BeBro is offline BeBro
King
of the Krauts
Mar 2000
time: 06:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 04:31 Visit BeBro's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#71 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Oh thanks for the links, Ramo

Seems I´ve enough to read now.

reds4ever is offline reds4ever
Prince
of the Spion Kop
Mar 2001
time: 05:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 04:32
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#72 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

are you replying to me ramo? if so i would like your last post to be linked to the post of mine (to avoid confusion) you were replying to, then, a secondary link to whichever piece of information that you took out of context.

DinoDoc is offline DinoDoc
Emperor
AECCP loves Democracy
Sep 1999
time: 23:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 04:32
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#73 Report this post to a moderator
Increase the size of your Attachments

quote:
Originally posted by Ramo
Actually, I was referring to the articles that HGP group referenced.


Then you should have said so!

reds4ever is offline reds4ever
Prince
of the Spion Kop
Mar 2001
time: 05:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 04:34
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#74 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Peacemaker

that's it in a nutshell!

chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
King
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 04:34 Visit chegitz guevara's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#75 Report this post to a moderator
Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

quote:
Originally posted by reds4ever
how many species of dog are there, how many races of dog?


The term race doesn't really apply to dogs, since as anyone with dogs has learned, they'll happily bread with each other. Their may be some size limitations between say, Great Danes and Yorkies, but they recognize each other as dogs, and will try and breed. As I understand it, there is only one species of dog, if you exclude wild African dogs, which aren't really dogs. Dingos might constitute a seperate species of dog, but I don't know.

Closely related species can interbreed, also, like Lions and Tigers (though it requires intentional effort on out part, since they won't do it themselves) and horses and donkeys, and dogs and wolves. The distinction, as I understand it is, different races of an animal won't interbreed, but they are members of the same species.

quote:
i'm not being awkward, but i'd like to know where the boundary lies, and does it lie in a different place for humans?


No, it lies in the same place for humans. We will more or less happily breed with other members of our own kind, except sometimes for ideological reasons.

reds4ever is offline reds4ever
Prince
of the Spion Kop
Mar 2001
time: 05:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 04:35
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#76 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Cheers Peacemaker, i can go to bed now!!

chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
King
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 04:36 Visit chegitz guevara's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#77 Report this post to a moderator
Got spare money?

quote:
Originally posted by Peacemaker
If we look at this issue with dogs insteed of humans and look at the difference at breeds(race) most would say certian breeds of dogs are smarter than others. If this is true for dogs then why can't it be true for humans.


Differences between humans are not as great as differences between dogs.


Breeds !=race.

chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
King
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 04:38 Visit chegitz guevara's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#78 Report this post to a moderator
Got spare money?

quote:
Originally posted by reds4ever
that's it in a nutshell!


But he's wrong.

Now here's a question for you. Why are you so happy that he tried to make that ridiculous point? Why are you so happy that there's a possiblity that groups of humans might be superior or inferior?

Peacemaker is offline Peacemaker
Warlord
Go fat early.
Feb 2000
time: 00:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 04:40
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#79 Report this post to a moderator
Got spare money?

quote:
Originally posted by chegitz guevara


The term race doesn't really apply to dogs, since as anyone with dogs has learned, they'll happily bread with each other. Their may be some size limitations between say, Great Danes and Yorkies, but they recognize each other as dogs, and will try and breed. As I understand it, there is only one species of dog, if you exclude wild African dogs, which aren't really dogs. Dingos might constitute a seperate species of dog, but I don't know.

Closely related species can interbreed, also, like Lions and Tigers (though it requires intentional effort on out part, since they won't do it themselves) and horses and donkeys, and dogs and wolves. The distinction, as I understand it is, different races of an animal won't interbreed, but they are members of the same species.



No, it lies in the same place for humans. We will more or less happily breed with other members of our own kind, except sometimes for ideological reasons.


Hey when I was single I would happily "breed" with women of any race

Peacemaker is offline Peacemaker
Warlord
Go fat early.
Feb 2000
time: 00:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 04:43
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#80 Report this post to a moderator
Get a bigger avatar today!

quote:
Originally posted by chegitz guevara


But he's wrong.

Now here's a question for you. Why are you so happy that he tried to make that ridiculous point? Why are you so happy that there's a possiblity that groups of humans might be superior or inferior?


Why are you so opposed to it?

reds4ever is offline reds4ever
Prince
of the Spion Kop
Mar 2001
time: 05:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 04:45
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#81 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote:
Originally posted by chegitz guevara


But he's wrong.

Now here's a question for you. Why are you so happy that he tried to make that ridiculous point? Why are you so happy that there's a possiblity that groups of humans might be superior or inferior?


not superior or inferior, DIFFERENT!!

Can't anyone get their head around this?


500 years of (admittley artificailly) breeding domestcated animals brings such diversity, but 50,000 years leaves humans practically untouched?

Kropotkin is offline Kropotkin
Emperor
of Ålidhem
Mar 1999
time: 06:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 04:49
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#82 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

Of cource there's important policial implications here. This made the idea that there is great differences big before and the opposite idea big at lest after WWII. But being against the ideas sounds a hell lot more sound to me.

So far I haven't seen anything that really proofs that different 'races' have any important differences, thus I choose to belive otherwise.

Ramo is offline Ramo
King
Austin, Texas, USA
Oct 1999
time: 23:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 04:50 Visit Ramo's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#83 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote:
are you replying to me ramo? if so i would like your last post to be linked to the post of mine (to avoid confusion) you were replying to, then, a secondary link to whichever piece of information that you took out of context.


What?
How do I link your post to mine? This would be the quote that I supposedly took "out of context."
"Aboriginies have better spatial awareness"

Or are you now going back on what you said, and saying that one "race" is no smarter than another?

reds4ever is offline reds4ever
Prince
of the Spion Kop
Mar 2001
time: 05:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 04:56
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#84 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

jesus christ ramo! your race obviously evolved without an understanding of scarcasm you must be republican, right?

Kropotkin is offline Kropotkin
Emperor
of Ålidhem
Mar 1999
time: 06:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 04:57
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#85 Report this post to a moderator
Remove this text

I totally regret everything I said before. Republicans and libertarians are a inferior race!!

reds4ever is offline reds4ever
Prince
of the Spion Kop
Mar 2001
time: 05:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 04:58
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#86 Report this post to a moderator
Remove this text

PS. Check up on Aboriginies, it's true!

chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
King
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 05:06 Visit chegitz guevara's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#87 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote:
Originally posted by Peacemaker
Why are you so opposed to it?


Aside from the fact that it's utterly unproven and based on completely flawed science, the political implications of it are immense.

However, the simplest proof that nature has very little to do with differences in intelligence among humans is the fact that despite having physically smaller brains, women are just as intelligent as men.

reds4ever is offline reds4ever
Prince
of the Spion Kop
Mar 2001
time: 05:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 05:09
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#88 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

Che, you haven't really got an answer? is that what your saying?

Ramo is offline Ramo
King
Austin, Texas, USA
Oct 1999
time: 23:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 05:12 Visit Ramo's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#89 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2



I didn't know what you meant exactly by "spatial awareness," but I took it to mean "spatial reasoning."

So are you saying that you think there are no differences in the intelligence of the "races?"

reds4ever is offline reds4ever
Prince
of the Spion Kop
Mar 2001
time: 05:18
  Old Post 10-04-2002 05:19
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#90 Report this post to a moderator
Inflate your Upload Space

Aboriginies remember landscapes, patterns etc, a lot better than Caucasans, perhaps because they've had to develope that trait over the last 30,000 years

 
Pages (10): [ 1   2   3   4   5   6     >> ]
< Last Thread     Next Thread > Post New Thread     Post A Reply
All times are GMT. The time now is 05:18.
Apolyton Time is 00:18.
    top of page
Rate This Thread:
archivepost
Forum Jump:
Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is ON
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON
 




Contact Us - Apolyton Civilization Site - Support Us!

Building a better Apolyton through better information. Click here and take our poll!
Non-US visitors, click here!

Powered by: vBulletin Version 2.0.3
Copyright ©2000, 2001, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.

Page generated in 0.0754 seconds (91.15% PHP - 8.85% MySQL) with 31 queries
Page Loading Time:

Support Apolyton: Amazon USA | Amazon UK | Amazon DE | Amazon FR |
Support Apolyton and get FREE PLUS, Buy from Chips&Bits: Galactic Civilizations | Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition | Call to Power 2 | Civilization: The Boardgame | GURPS/ Alpha Centauri | Alpha Centauri | Civilization IV | Civilization III: Complete |


Front Page | Civilization IV | Civilization III | Civilization II | Call to Power II | Alpha Centauri | Master of Orion III
Rise of Nations | Galactic Civilizations | Galactic Civilizations II | Misc
Alt.Civs | Civ I | C:CtP I | About | News | Directory | Apolyton Store | Forums | Chat | Columns | Interviews | Newsletter
Scenario League | CSC | Clash of Civs | Spanish Site | CtP Maps | Cradle of Civ | WesW's Ctp1/2 Site | Civ3 Haven

apolyton.net | apolyton.com | civilization2.net | civilization3.net | civilization4.net | civilizationiv.info | calltopower.net | galciv.net | galciv2.net | moo3.net