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I'm not flaming DF.

I'm just curious. If the US Constitution provides freedom from the draft, how come the US uses the draft when circumstances warrant it?

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You let money interfer with your principles


Lazy, blood sucking non-libertarian hypocrite!

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You let money interfer with your principles


No I didn't. All I did was sign up for something I have no intention of ever honoring, because if I didn't, I would have been prevented from seeking an education or receiving need or academic based financial aid.
I have no problem lying or misrepresenting myself to an immoral government.

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I'm just curious. If the US Constitution provides freedom from the draft, how come the US uses the draft when circumstances warrant it?


Because, clearly, the US doesn't generally follow the Constitutuin anymore. I thought that was a given.

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Well, fuc*ed boy, I don't see why something has to violate a right, for it to be wrong.

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Well, drunk boy , saying something is "wrong" implies morality. If something is morally wrong, that implies that said action violates some "moral rightness". What, besides natural rights, could that refer to?

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My personal morality, ****ed boy.

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Come to think of it, I might even take more drastic measures, which may or may not include assassination and blowing stuff up. Yes, I feel THAT strongly about it.



Oh....gosh you're such a badass! I bet even your little sister is afraid of you. Stick to dream world, little boy.

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Well that's a rather weak argument for arguing that something is wrong - maybe it's against your morality to kill people, but not mine. Who is right?

Lay off the beer, dude - I saw you chugging it last night

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Is this the Saturday night drunk thread?

Eeehah. Let me order some beer.

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Oh....gosh you're such a badass! I bet even your little sister is afraid of you. Stick to dream world, little boy.


See, I'd just LOVE to take on a DI who thinks he can force me in the military. Anytime.

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No I didn't. All I did was sign up for something I have no intention of ever honoring, because if I didn't, I would have been prevented from seeking an education or receiving need or academic based financial aid.
I have no problem lying or misrepresenting myself to an immoral government.


Surely you don't think the government owes you financial aid?

Exactly what admendment is that located in?

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David, I consider coercion immoral. I don't need magical natural rights to exist to hold that morality. You don't like it, too bad.

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Surely you don't think the government owes you financial aid?


Certainly not. But SS has nothing to do with it - making it an issue is frankly bullshit.

In any case, all of my current financial aid comes from non-federal sources, so let's not start.

Ramo,

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I consider coercion immoral. You don't like it, too bad.


So do I, but wouldn't you agree that that position is more easily supported from a position that doesn't involves relative morality?

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See, I'd just LOVE to take on a DI who thinks he can force me in the military. Anytime.


Actually they wouldn't try to put you in the military. They would simply put you in another institution. You could of course resist. Then they would simply apply more force. If you used deadly force then I'm sure they would respond in kind. Then the whole world goes about it's business like it never happened. It might become a TV movie though. I guess that would be something.

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Actually they wouldn't try to put you in the military. They would simply put you in another institution. You could of course resist. Then they would simply apply more force. If you used deadly force then I'm sure they would respond in kind. Then the whole world goes about it's business like it never happened.


Actually I'd be out of the country
Unless of course I couldn't, in which case I'd go down swinging/shooting if it came down to it, I'll defend my individual natural rights at all costs.

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No I didn't. All I did was sign up for something I have no intention of ever honoring, because if I didn't, I would have been prevented from seeking an education or receiving need or academic based financial aid.
I have no problem lying or misrepresenting myself to an immoral government.


gutless...

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Actually I'd be out of the country
Unless of course I couldn't, in which case I'd go down swinging/shooting if it came down to it, I'll defend my individual natural rights at all costs.



Why not just leave now? Why would you want to live in such an oppressive country as the US? It must be really hard to express yourself in such a corrupt and oppressive regime

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Actually I'd be out of the country
Unless of course I couldn't, in which case I'd go down swinging/shooting if it came down to it, I'll defend my individual natural rights at all costs.


Including killing others?

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No, if you'd read my other posts you'd see I'm more than willing to fight the government, DIs, whatever, sooner than have them force me into anything.

And frankly, I'm getting sick of the "good ole boys" network (you know who you are) and their self-righteous "we're right regardless of silly things like logic and rights" attitude.

Either respond to my points or go away, but don't insult me for the hell of it.

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See, I'd just LOVE to take on a DI who thinks he can force me in the military. Anytime.


More Walter Mitty fantasies...

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More Walter Mitty fantasies...


Who the ****'s Walter Mitty, and what does he have to do with anything?

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What about planting bombs and possibly killing other, non involved citizens? How does that fit in with your concept of rights and morality?

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Who the ****'s Walter Mitty, and what does he have to do with anything?



You never heard of Walter Mitty? Do a search and find out a little about him.

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What about planting bombs and possibly killing other, non involved citizens?


I never said anything about targeting innocent people.

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Didn't you say you would be willing to plant bombs? Who was that?

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but wouldn't you agree that that position is more easily supported from a position that doesn't involves relative morality?


Yes. But first, you'd have point to me a justification that doesn't involve morality (until you prove the existence of natural rights independent of morality, that argument doesn't apply).

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We're going through!" The Commander's voice was like thin ice breaking. He wore his full-dress uniform, with the heavily braided white cap pulled down rakishly over one cold gray eye. "We can't make it, sir. It's spoiling for a hurricane, if you ask me." "I'm not asking you, Lieutenant Berg," said the Commander. "Throw on the power lights! Rev her up to 8,500! We're going through!" The pounding of the cylinders increased: ta-pocketa-pocketa-pocketa-pocketa-pocketa. The Commander stared at the ice forming on the pilot window. He walked over and twisted a row of complicated dials. "Switch on No. 8 auxiliary!" he shouted. "Switch on No. 8 auxiliary!" repeated Lieutenant Berg. "Full strength in No. 3 turret!" shouted the Commander. "Full strength in No. 3 turret!" The crew, bending to their various tasks in the huge, hurtling eight-engined Navy hydroplane, looked at each other and grinned. "The old man will get us through" they said to one another. "The Old Man ain't afraid of Hell!" . . .
"Not so fast! You're driving too fast!" said Mrs. Mitty. "What are you driving so fast for?"
"Hmm?" said Walter Mitty. He looked at his wife, in the seat beside him, with shocked astonishment. She seemed grossly unfamiliar, like a strange woman who had yelled at him in a crowd. "You were up to fifty-five," she said. "You know I don't like to go more than forty. You were up to fifty-five." Walter Mitty drove on toward Waterbury in silence, the roaring of the SN202 through the worst storm in twenty years of Navy flying fading in the remote, intimate airways of his mind.

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Didn't you say you would be willing to plant bombs? Who was that?


Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I'd fight anyone who tried to draft me by any means necssary. Enough said.

Ramo,

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Yes. But first, you'd have point to me a justification that doesn't involve morality


Would you agree you own yourself?

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No, if you'd read my other posts you'd see I'm more than willing to fight the government, DIs, whatever, sooner than have them force me into anything.



Yeah...you really stood up to them on the registration for the draft...

 
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