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WFHermans
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First of all you were banned for posting links to revisionist pages and supporting the revisionist thought, which is a crime in Sweden. So unless you have any problem with that you were banned because you broke the law, please shut up.
It's really redicolous that you still fail to see this - I remember you instead made up a lot of laws and facts to attack Denmark and Sweden and their anti racist laws. Quite redicolous actually.
And people - unless you have a problem with that Paradox decided to obey the laws of the country Paradox is situated in, then you really should not have a problem with a revisionist like Herman being banned
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Get out your English-Danish dictionary and read well what I wrote. I didn't post revisionist material although you were daring me to do so. What I did was defending freedom of speech, which includes the freedom of speech of revisionist. You really don't understand the difference between defending someone's right to have an opinion and sharing that particular opinion. I posted links to revisionist sites, and also to exterminationist sites, because people should be able to make up their own minds. If you are offended by those sites I suggest you do not visit them. If that is against some Swedish law, fine, then remove the post and make clear there is a Swedish law against it. I think such a law is extremely silly. But again, maybe there is another Swedish law making it illegal to criticize Swedish laws. I have no problem obeying those rules though, but it is unreasonable of Paradox to expect everyone from knowing all those laws.
Paradox didn't just ban me from posting, they also banned me from simply reading the forum I helped pay for. Do you defend that also?
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Mordoch
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Denver, Colorado
Jan 2002
time: 05:18
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WFHermans... On your second point about being banned from reading the forums, that was due to a technical error on the part of the administrator who banned you. I am 100% that if you had calmly explained your problem to people like Uglyduck, and did not resort to insulting and degrading Paradox, that issue would be resolved by now. Give it a rest already, or do you not have anything better to do with your life?
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RobRoy
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Originally posted by Ming
And if this thread turns into a flame war... the people involved will be toast for a week. |
"toast for a week"? Wait a minute! What a concept! Why...why...it implies that there could...just possibly... be penalties other than a permanent lifetime ban!!!?
Nah...what am I thinking...much easier to impose one draconian penalty if a moderator perceives he's been criticized.
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UnSounder
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Well, there really isn't anything to discuss. He broke the Swedish law, and afterwards threatened with copying and selling Europa Universalis at a low price as pirate copies. It's only natural to ban him then. I posted in this forum to clear the case up, so he might stop bothering you people on this forum about it. As it seems quite redicolous how he keeps going on and on with it here.
I'm sorry if he's been bothering you, I hope my post might clear it up and end the case.
Sincerely,
C4, moderator of the Off Topic forum at Paradox
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WFHermans
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Murdoch, I did explain it calmly, but I didn't receive a response. I don't "go on about it", but I simply react on your and other people's post.
Unsounder's posts are more serious because they contain accusations that are not true. That is libel, which is against the law in the USA and very probable in sweden too. He doesn't respond, maybe because he doesn't know english, or try to prove his lies.
Simply copy the revisionist posts I made or the threats that I would resell copies of the game. You can't. What you can do is post your daring of me to post material that was revisionist but being the enemy of the truth that you are I know you won't. Hmmmm....now I now why you don't allow me to read the forum. Because then I could expose your lies, and that's what you are most afraid of.
I don''t sell copies of your game, but I do advise everyone not to pay money for a game that is crashing all the time and that is sold by a company that cheats their customers out of their money by not giving access to their forum, which was promised by the company when they sold the game.
And Paradox did this to several customers. This also means that the customer isn't bound to the agreement not to copy the game.
That I have political views that were actually strengthened by Paradox's behaviour is beside the point. But the topic of this thread is the banning by the Paradox forum and as their moderators tell, and seem to be proud of, is that critics of the game and revisionists are banned.
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UnSounder
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Dude...you're paranoid. You really expect me to go searching for posts many months old? It will take ages, and I'm simply not gonna spend my important time on you. So please do everyone a favour, and accept the fact that you are banned and you were banned for breaking the forum rules. It's that easy.
C4
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WFHermans
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Thanks for telling us that you are lying! And let Paradox accept the fact that they will lose a lot of money by cheating their customers.
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UnSounder
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But since you wanted the post where you threatened to make pirate copies of Paradox games:
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At least you could still write en read in the forum! I could only bang on the door. I had a mod insulting me, I didn't insult him back...and so he was very insulted and blocked my IP, my whole computer! A pity because I need the input en output from the EU palace...I had promised the children to tell about my conquest of Asias...Well if they won't let me in I'll get by some other way...copying the EU and selling them for high prices, just lower than he prices of Paradox....and make zip-files and send them all over the internet...telling everyone that Paradox cheats you from what you pay for technical support, they also don't react on emails...
Unless they see it's a mistake and accept my IP again.
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From: http://www.europa-universalis.com/f...&threadid=17920
And this one:
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One last promise, BiB. In all the copies of EU games that will be sent off all over the world when I dont get mu right or a refund, there wil be written on it. The feds wil love it!
You couldn't even stand up to Marc Dutroux. |
Where you threat an administrator of the board, with making him responsible for your pirating activities
From: http://www.europa-universalis.com/f...25&pagenumber=4
Last edited by UnSounder on 13-04-2002 at 02:22
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RobRoy
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Originally posted by UnSounder
Well, there really isn't anything to discuss. He broke the Swedish law, and afterwards threatened with copying and selling Europa Universalis at a low price as pirate copies. It's only natural to ban him then. I posted in this forum to clear the case up, so he might stop bothering you people on this forum about it. As it seems quite redicolous how he keeps going on and on with it here.
I'm sorry if he's been bothering you, I hope my post might clear it up and end the case.
Sincerely,
C4, moderator of the Off Topic forum at Paradox |
Not sure he's really been bothering anyone except boosters and mods from the official site. But, yes, it sounds moderately serious if true... Of course I haven't seen the post(s) and have nothing more than your word regarding their content, Swedish law, its applicability, or purported threats. His word suggests otherwise, and since I have personal experience with some fairly egregious mistatements by a colleague of yours, I'd have to see the offending posts, myself. Maybe I'll go hunting, if they're still there...
Even if true, an IP ban from the official site (a "public accomodation" containing the necessary updates, clarifications, and addendum) seems inappropriate for any paying customer. Perhaps if the company first issues a refund, it might be okay, which I'm sure it would be willing to do, ridding itself of such a noisome customer (if your allegations are true...).
And which rule did I break, oh wise moderator? Besides the ex post facto one barring public criticism of moderator misbehavior?
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UnSounder
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RobRoy, I have nothing to do with your case, so you must ask another moderator or administrator.
But as far as I recall you kept on insulting an administrator, even going as far as calling him a fascist, because he moved one of your posts to another forum. And after that you made several threads in which you asked to be banned, and threatened with continuing in your track if you were not banned.
C4
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RobRoy
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Originally posted by UnSounder
RobRoy, I have nothing to do with your case, so you must ask another moderator or administrator.
But as far as I recall you kept on insulting an administrator, even going as far as calling him a fascist, because he moved one of your posts to another forum. And after that you made several threads in which you asked to be banned, and threatened with continuing in your track if you were not banned.
C4 |
LOL...my, my...how the alleged crimes grow with each retelling. It might interest you to know that virtually every word of your second paragraph is demonstrably false. I'd be real curious as to who has given you that impression and why (but I can guess).
The only vague resemblance to the truth is that I did inform a moderator who had moved a thread (inappropriately, IMHO, but that's clearly debatable) that his action was unnecessary, and had unfortunate consequences (the partial deletion and mis-merging of that thread with another). At no time did I personally insult anyone (despite some personal attacks upon myself, by the way), despite your/his allegations to the contrary.
But, then, the truth sometimes seem to be a bit elusive, doesn't it?
Clearly, the other "moderator or administrator" is not interested in discussing the issue. He has never bothered to cite what rule I allegedly violated, and is, of course, completely unreachable, aside from his frequent appearances here to shill for his forum...
But I'll do my best to continue correcting the misconceptions he seems to have planted. Pretty good trick, that one, getting you to front some pretty outrageous allegations...my opinion of him has both increased and decreased.
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WFHermans
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Interesting, those letters I wrote AFTER I was IP-banned. And that spelling! Yes that's definitely me!
I just wonder why you ban me after I wrote those letters when those letters seem to indicate I was banned before.
Funny that Paradox mods have the habit of increasing the number of accusations against those evil posters, and that they like to insult people and then accuse those people of insulting them.
After posting my words, written after I was banned from posting, for which I was banned, (I was banned TWICE) I would like you to similarly post the words of RobRoy. That is the easiest thing to do, just search on username and the word "fascist". Strange that the same people who like to call other people a nazi when they are for freedom of speech are so easily offended. But someone, I think you made a small "mistake" and that you won't be able to find that particular post. And please don't come up with a post RobRoy made after he was banned.
By the way, this CivIII forum opens with a letter CRITICIZING CivIII. Wouldn't you like to be moderator here mr. Sound, or C4, and BAN that evil hatethinker...
Last edited by WFHermans on 14-04-2002 at 01:31
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UnSounder
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For your information, WFHermans those old posts were deleted. They were made before we created our new system of storing deleted posts, so I have no way of tracking down the posts were you posted revisionist material and stated that "That Jewish ***** deserves to die". But what you said after you were banned, were enough to ban you. You might have had a case if you had not said the things you said after you were banned.
C4
P.S And I don't ban people because of their opinion of a game, I ban them because of their political conviction
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UnSounder
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Revisionists are those also known as deniers. People who refuses the Holocaust ever happened, or think that the number of deads are much less than 6 million. Usually they are also neo-nazis.
C4
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WFHermans
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Because Paradox refuses access to their forum to people who believe in freedom of speech for everyone including revisionists. Although access to their forum is promised to the buyers of their game Europa Universalis.
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