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Originally posted by WFHermans
You are all against that Congresswoman because she is BLACK. |
No I,m not. However she has made some very stupid remarks time after time.
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Hey, Joe, be careful what you say, do and think. You are supposed to think that Pearl Harbor came as a complete surprise. If you start spreading doubt about that you're undermining the war effort. You are either a communist or an Arab. You are definitely an EVIL ONE. |
I just stated the facts. They knew something was going to happen, but did not know when and where until it did happen. I will go on record if they did know where the Japanese fleet was they would have gone after the fleet. With the firepower in Pearl the Japanese would not have stood a chance.
BTW I,m not a communist or Arab. My Father family has been in the United State since 1634 and some of my ancestor are American Indian, so with that bit of info I,m sure you can figure out what color my skin is.
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Read what the brave congresswoman said, and comment on that. She doesn't mention jews, aliens. Stop for once criticizing the messenger, dare to criticize the message.
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By US Rep. Cynthia McKinney
Atlanta Journal-Constitution
4-15-2
The need for an investigation of the events surrounding Sept. 11 is as obvious as the need for an investigation of the Enron debacle. Certainly, if the American people deserve answers about what went wrong with Enron and why (and we do), then we deserve to know what went wrong on Sept. 11 and why.
Are we squandering our goodwill around the world with what many believe to be incoherent, warmongering policies that alienate our friends and antagonize our allies? How much of a role does our reliance on imported oil play in the military policies put forward by the Bush administration? And what role does the close relationship between the Bush administration and the oil and defense industries play, if any, in the policies being pursued by this administration?
We deserve to know what went wrong on Sept. 11 and why. After all, we hold thorough public inquiries into rail disasters, plane crashes and even natural disasters in order to understand what happened and to prevent them from happening again or minimizing the tragic effects when they do. Why, then, does the administration remain steadfast in its opposition to an investigation into the biggest terrorism attack upon our nation?
News reports from Der Spiegel to the London Observer, from the Los Angeles Times to MSNBC to CNN, indicate that many different warnings were received by the administration. In addition, it has even been reported that the United States government broke Osama bin Laden's secure communications before Sept. 11. Sadly, the United States government is being sued today by survivors of the U.S. Embassy bombings in Africa because, from court reports, it appears clear that the United States had received warnings, but did little to secure and protect the staff at our embassies.
Did the same thing happen to us again?
I am not aware of any evidence showing that President Bush or members of his administration have personally profited from the attacks of Sept. 11. A complete investigation might reveal that to be the case. For example, it is known that President Bush's father, through the Carlyle Group, had -- at the time of the attacks -- joint business interests with the bin Laden family's construction company and many defense industry holdings, the stocks of which have soared since Sept. 11.
On the other hand, what is undeniable is that corporations close to the administration have directly benefited from the increased defense spending arising from the aftermath of Sept. 11. The Carlyle Group, DynCorp and Halliburton certainly stand out as companies close to this administration.
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld maintained in a hearing before Congress that we can afford the new spending, even though the request for more defense spending is the highest increase in 20 years.
All the American people are being asked to make sacrifices. Our young men and women in the military are being asked to risk their lives in our war against terrorism while our president's first act was to sign an executive order denying them high deployment overtime pay.
The American people are being asked to make sacrifices by bearing massive budget cuts in the social welfare of our country, in the areas of health care, Social Security and civil liberties for our enhanced military and security needs arising from the events of Sept. 11. It is imperative that they know fully why we make the sacrifices. If the secretary of defense tells us that his new military objectives must be to occupy foreign capital cities and overthrow regimes, then the American people must know why.
It should be easy for this administration to explain fully to the American people in a thorough and methodical way why we are being asked to make these sacrifices and if, indeed, these sacrifices will make us more secure. If the administration cannot articulate these answers to the American people, then the Congress must.
This is not a time for closed-door meetings and secrecy. America's credibility, both with the world and with her own people, rests upon securing credible answers to these questions. The world is teetering on the brink of conflicts while the administration's policies are vague, wavering and unclear.
Major financial conflicts of interest involving the president, the attorney general, the vice president and others in the administration have been and continue to be exposed.
This is a time for leadership and judgment that is not compromised in any fashion. This is a time for transparency and a thorough investigation. ___
U.S. Rep. Cynthia McKinney is a Democrat representing Georgia's 4th http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/op.../0415equal.html
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Eh Lonestar...answer McKinney....and btw the Republicans didn't free the slaves, Lincoln only freed them in CSA he had not conquered. Which is about as meaningful as Roosevelt declaring in 1943 that "henceforth, hereon (blah blah) all jews in german concentrationcamps will be FREE!". There were slavestates fighting with the north and they kept their slaves. And did you know that Lincoln was a racist who wanted to send all negroes to Africa after he would be re-elected? Lucky he got the booth.
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Originally posted by GP
Joe, please change your avatar to be that of a 637 submarine. (And give me a copy too.) Want a picture which emphasizes the high sail. FW planes in under-ice mode would be cool also...) |
I only have one or two picture from the yard. The photo group boss would not give anything away over the years. I ask nicely a few times and he said NO. He had thousand of picture. I wonder if he kept some for his self.
The 688 avatar. I was the Shop 11 Test Supervisor on the SSN 688 overhaul so I can use it legally. That was our last overhaul to.
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Originally posted by GP
didn't they use the dock that Guitarro and Lapon vacated? |
DD # 2. I was in Code 950 Electrical Training, Bldg 866 (the building without any windows) when the Guitarro was there and did not work on it during decommissioning. I when out to the waterfront one-in-awhile but not a lot.
If you were involved with any hotwell & surge tk. closure I did all of the briefing, and I mean all. I was the only person on the yard qualified to give the briefing even after I left training I still did all of the briefing.
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Intense Attacks On
Rep. McKinney Continue
From Paul Walker
4-19-2
"McKinney is a dangerous fool whose voice needs to be stifled"
-Kathleen Parker
Comment
Paul Walker
(On Following Article)
Kathleen Parker thinks the black woman Cynthia McKinney would look a lot better working at a Walmart, than in Congress. That would go along with the fact that she seems to want to "purify the gene pool" of those who are "too stupid to live"...just a hint. It is another variation on ABC's theme of weeding out the dangerously insane who believe in "baseless conspiracy theories."
According to the Nazi or Fascist view, some people are just mentally unfit for public office, so if they speak about political leaders possibly being involved in corruption, criminal conspiracy or treason, they should get the axe and be forced out of office for their "dangerous and irresponsible statements".
I seem to recall Hitler also talked like this and followed such ideals in his totalitarian program of crushing dissent, free speech and in weeding out the "unfit" including the mentally and physically handicapped, Blacks, Jews, Gays, Gypsies and many others. So then they were sent off to take a "shower" in ZyklonB gas, lined up before pits and shot or worked in slave camps until their wasted bodies broke down and the eyes rolled up into their sockets.
The stench of rotting corpses was even too much for the Nazi torturers so they devised an ingenius system of ovens for cremating the bodies that could barely keep up with the demand. There had to be other ways to deal with so much human flesh and bone. Of course the Nazis were a very resourceful and efficient group of people. They took great pains at recycling for the war effort. Human hair was shaved off to make blankets. Teeth were yanked out to get the gold and melt it down. Fat was used for soap, skin for lampshades. There were really endless uses of the human body and its many parts.
After Germany was defeated, the citizens living around Auchwitz, Bergen Belsen and Dachau, who allowed themselves to be mind-controlled by a dictator using the same methods that Bush has used to grab power, were marched over to the camps to see what their Fuhrer had done to so many millions of innocent people. They were forced to face the horror and the hellish stench of piles of bodies, stacked like cordwood that had been slave-driven, experimented upon, beaten, raped, tortured, starved and shot like vermin. They cried and protested, "We didn't know! We didn't know!", covering their mouths with hankerchiefs to allay the rotten stench.
If things continue the way they are going, one day Kathleen Parker too will be marched over to piles upon piles of bloated corpses, bodies of people she once said were "too stupid to live." And she will whine and cry "But, but..I didn't know! I didn't know!" She is such a pretty young white woman. I'm sure she will make a Good Little Nazi.
Don't say it can never happen here America. It has already started and we have to stop it by learning from history and exposing the truth about what really happened on 911. ___
Idiotic, Absurd Comments About 911
By Kathleen Parker
Columnist OrlandoSentinel.com
4-17-2
Every time I hear of another Palestinian "suicide bomber," I think: Darwin Awards. You know, the evolutionary awards bestowed each year on those who purify the gene pool by removing themselves from it. Darwin winners are, in the words of awards manager Wendy Northcutt, "too stupid to live."
Likewise, every time I hear Rep. Cynthia McKinney, D-Ga., speak, I think: There ought to be an award. We could call it The McKinney Award -- for people "too stupid to serve in public office."
For McKinney is hands-down winner for stupidest thing ever said while in public office for her recent assertion that President George W. Bush knew about the 9-11 attacks in advance and did nothing to prevent them. Why? So that all his cronies could get rich on the subsequent military buildup. (Audience, all together now: Ah-haaaa!!!)
"We know there were numerous warnings of the events to come on September 11th," said McKinney during a recent interview with a Berkeley, Calif., radio station. "What did this administration know and when did it know it, about the events of September 11th? Who else knew, and why did they not warn the innocent people of New York who were needlessly murdered? What do they have to hide?"
Not only is McKinney's comment idiotic, absurd and -- under other circumstances, hilarious, if you like slapstick -- it's dangerous. Would that we could ignore such ignoramuses, but we can't because "they" won't. "They" being terrorists, Islamic extremists, or others on the growing list of crazy people who can't get to those 72 virgins supposedly waiting for them in heaven fast enough. (I'm still confused about what compels young women to blow themselves up. Maybe they promise the ladies an eternity free of Arafat's decaying visage. One could be tempted.)
You have to wonder, is McKinney really that, um, misguided?
Since making her radio comments, McKinney has backtracked a few steps. "I am not aware of any evidence showing that President Bush or members of his administration have personally profited from the attacks of 9-11," she said. "A complete investigation might reveal that to be the case."
"Might" is a mighty big word when you're accusing the president of the United States of being a mass murderer and of otherwise helping kindle World War III. A complete investigation also might prove that McKinney has been dropping acid and living with cross-dressing dental hygienists under the Brooklyn Bridge (not that there's anything wrong with that), but then again, it might not.
McKinney's conspiracy theory apparently evolved from her sense that (follow closely) because former President George H.W. Bush, father of the current president, is an adviser to a Washington-based investment firm, the Carlyle Group -- and because Carlyle Group investors have been enriched by the war on terrorism owing to their partial ownership of a military contractor -- Bingo! Dubya obviously permitted suicidal Islamic fanatics to bring down the World Trade Center towers and part of the Pentagon.
By McKinney's theory, Bush would have to have been disappointed that hijacked Flight 93 went down in a Pennsylvania field instead of hitting its presumed target, the White House. Hey, and Bush was in Florida that day. Hmmmmm.
In reporting McKinney's insatiable appetite for her own boots, The Washington Post noted that McKinney has often "given voice to radical critiques of U.S. policy, especially in the Middle East." Given voice? Radical critiques? Let's call a farm implement a farm implement and translate that for the nice folks back home: "McKinney has made yet another over-the-top publicity grab, not yet grasping that most Americans consider her an imbecile."
Of course, news reporters have to be objective and respectful, even toward loonies like McKinney, which is why God created columnists. Here's the real deal: McKinney is a dangerous fool whose voice needs to be stifled. Not forcefully, of course. But couldn't we get this woman a job at Wal-Mart, greeting the public she so desperately courts? Wishfully thinking, couldn't we just impeach her?
I realize you can't impeach a public official for dragging down the national I.Q., but you can impeach for treason. Once McKinney's hysterical rant is translated into Arabic for a vulnerable, gullible and homicidal public, she's on their team, not ours. As Sen. Zell Miller, another Georgia Democrat, has noted, her statement is "very dangerous and irresponsible."
At the very least, oh, lovely, smart people of Georgia, vote this bad actress out of business. Do it for your country. Do it soon.
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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:18
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hi ,
well , what about the belgian connection , actually 9-11 started a bit before , in Afghanistan , with the murder of Massoud by two guys with belgian passports , ...........
a couple years ago , when aboe nidal was still out there some of the members where having "refugee" status and passports from belgian , they would even walk the streets in belgium , and the US of A asked to do something about it , but no , nothing happend , .............the consulate of belgium in Ankara , Turkey gave out visa's to some guys with beards , ........,
now no one knows where these guys are , huh , their pics , well , the FBI put them on the most wanted list , ...........
just so some people have something to think about
have a nice day
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Originally posted by The Mad Monk
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2002Apr11.html
Here we go...
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Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot
By Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, April 12, 2002; Page A16
Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-Ga.) is calling for an investigation into whether President Bush and
other government officials had advance notice of terrorist attacks on Sept. 11 but did nothing to
prevent them. She added that "persons close to this administration are poised to make huge
profits off America's new war."
In a recent interview with a Berkeley, Calif., radio station, McKinney said: "We know there were
numerous warnings of the events to come on September 11th. . . . What did this administration
know and when did it know it, about the events of September 11th? Who else knew, and why did
they not warn the innocent people of New York who were needlessly murdered? . . . What do
they have to hide?"
McKinney declined to be interviewed yesterday, but she issued a statement saying: "I am not
aware of any evidence showing that President Bush or members of his administration have
personally profited from the attacks of 9-11. A complete investigation might reveal that to be the
case."
Bush spokesman Scott McLellan dismissed McKinney's comments.
"The American people know the facts, and they dismiss such ludicrous, baseless views," he
said. "The fact that she questions the president's legitimacy shows a partisan mind-set beyond
all reason."
In the radio conversation, McKinney delivered a stinging attack on the administration. In 2000,
she charged, Bush forces "stole from America our most precious right of all, the right to free and
fair elections." With the September attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and in
Pennsylvania, McKinney said, "an administration of questionable legitimacy has been given
unprecedented power."
She suggested that the administration was serving the interests of a Washington-based
investment firm, the Carlyle Group, which employs a number of high-ranking former government
officials from both parties. Former president George H.W. Bush -- the current president's father --
is an adviser to the firm. McKinney said the war on terrorism has enriched Carlyle Group
investors by enhancing the value of a military contractor partly owned by the firm.
Carlyle Group spokesman Chris Ullman asked: "Did she say these things while standing on a
grassy knoll in Roswell, New Mexico?"
During her five terms in office, McKinney has often given voice to radical critiques of U.S. policy,
especially in the Middle East. She defied the State Department to investigate assertions that
international sanctions are brutalizing innocent Iraqis.
With her comments concerning Sept. 11, McKinney, 47, seems to have tapped into a web of
conspiracy theories circulating during the past six months among people who believe that the
government is partially -- or entirely -- to blame for last year's attacks, which killed more than
3,000 people.
"What is undeniable is that corporations close to the administration have directly benefited from
the increased defense spending arising from the aftermath of September 11th," McKinney
charged. "America's credibility, both with the world and with her own people, rests upon securing
credible answers to these questions."
None of McKinney's colleagues has embraced her allegations, but a few said they are familiar
with the theories.
"I've heard a number of people say it," said Rep. Melvin Watt (D-N.C.), who quickly added, "I can't
say that it would be a widely held view" among lawmakers.
Some lawmakers have a less charitable view of McKinney's penchant for publicity. Rep. Johnny
Isakson (R-Ga.) said McKinney is simply trying to impress her constituents.
"She's demonstrated at home an ability to win," he said, "and she's demonstrated in Washington
a total lack of responsibility in her statements."
Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.), a friend of McKinney's, said the Georgia Democrat is adept at
seizing on "red-meat" issues that resonate with her political base and have helped her fend off a
series of GOP challengers.
"She's not as random as people think," Kingston said. "People always want to hear a political
conspiracy theory."
Staff writer David Von Drehle contributed to this report.
© 2002 The Washington Post Company
So...who saw this one coming?
Could this possibly have anything to do with Al Gore shaving his beard and giving a firey speech at a Democrat get-together the other day?
Thanks to Drudge for the link. |
Looks like she has been vindicated.
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Yes, this is definitely a retaliation for the old "FDR was responsible for Pearl Harbor" bit. It's nice to see that left wing wackos are making an appearence again. They so nicely balance out the right wing ones. |
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss those... remember in the days following sept 11 it was relevealed there where millions of $$ worth of options trades made, on the german and north american stock exchanges.. Anyone else notice not a word of this has been mentioned since then? Its a undisputable fact that someone/ persons made a huge profit from those attacks by buying puts on airline/insurance companies.
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