21-04-2002 01:58									#91
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Or the Israelis should have considered before they elected a war criminal as Prime Minister.

	21-04-2002 02:15									#92
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The Palestinians did that. Sharon wouldn't be in power at all, let alone Likud, had the PA abided by the terms of Oslo and real peace occurred. Arafat knew that that wouldn't get him what he thought he wanted.

And who do you think is going to buy the big steaming pile of bopkess that the Pal's are simply protesting the Israeli election results?

They want to mine and boobytrap their camp at Jenin and use it for terrorist ops, - expect it to be flatenned.

	21-04-2002 02:19									#93
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And Arafat wouldn't be in power at all, if Israel hadn't picked him as the leader of the Palestinian people and brought him back from Tunesia.

Oh, and Netanyahu was elected very shortly after the death of Rabin (albeit in a very very close election), and he was Likud.

	21-04-2002 03:28									#94
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quote: , but it's rather the other way, the Aryan tribes came to india.

Oh yeah?

Where from???????

quote: US Envoy (Assistant SecState) called Jenin a 'terrible human tragedy'

Obviously it is.

I agree with it.

As MtG said, all war is great human tragedy.

Stalingrad was tragic too.

But neither it nor Jenin witnessed massacares.


Terri Larsen????
Why not already decide we are guilty????

	21-04-2002 04:04									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui And Arafat wouldn't be in power at all, if Israel hadn't picked him as the leader of the Palestinian people and brought him back from Tunesia.

As the Palestinians themselves are fond of pointing out, Arafat was elected by the Palestinian people, opinions on how fair it was notwithstanding.

quote: Oh, and Netanyahu was elected very shortly after the death of Rabin (albeit in a very very close election), and he was Likud.

It was Intifada II that pushed the Likud back into power and squashed any hope that the PLO's held of getting anything aproaching the Camp David II offer. Regardless of whether or not you thought that the offer was fair or not, it was the best deal that Israel had ever offered.

	21-04-2002 06:22									#96
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quote: Regardless of whether or not you thought that the offer was fair or not, it was the best deal that Israel had ever offered.

Actually Oslo was.

	21-04-2002 06:25									#97
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Imagine what would have happened if he had not violated that agreement then.

	21-04-2002 06:30									#98
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Imagine if Israel actually followed it as well.

	21-04-2002 07:47									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Imagine if Israel actually followed it as well.

Little Yasser: Mommy, Benjamin has oppressed me. We had this sandbox but I wanted it all but he was too strong for me to push him out. And now he won't let me back in.

Mom; Well little Yasser, you go into your big brother's room get his bomb belt and blow Benjamin's family all to hell. God will love you and eventually your other brothers may get our sandbox back. If not they too will blow other families all to hell too.

Little Yasser: Your so smart Mommy

Mom: Not me dear, I'm just a woman. Your dad is the smart one.

Little Yasser: But daddy was killed last week.

Mom: Yes dear but he is with 17 virgins now. He is much better off.


edit: NO, it's not meant to be funny.

	21-04-2002 07:49									#100
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What happened to the other 55?

	21-04-2002 07:52									#101
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse What happened to the other 55?

I suppose he didn't kill enough Israelies. You only get 17 when you manage to blow yourself up.

	21-04-2002 07:53									#102
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Sorry, Israeli/Pal viewers but that's pretty funny.

	21-04-2002 07:55									#103
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Actually, the word "virgin" in this case is not accurate.
It was a result of a mistranslation from Arabic to English, and many people still stick with the word "virgin."

The more accurate translation would be angel.

	21-04-2002 07:59									#104
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quote: [SIZE=1] The more accurate translation would be angel.

Artistic License

	21-04-2002 16:14									#105
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quote: Originally posted by WFHermans In the 1930s there was a big reaction in Europe -- and to a lesser degree in America -- to what the Jews were doing as communist commissars in the Soviet Union, butchering millions of Russians and Ukrainians.

LIES!

Stalin was not a Jew. And even when Stalin had been a Jew, this would not make ALL Jews responsible for the purges of the Communist regime.
Could you please tell us which commissars were Jewish?
And please give us your sources!

On the contrary, from the moment the Communists were in power, Jews -like Christians and Muslims- were persecuted.

"The decree of January 20, 1918, on relations between church and state initially affected Jews less harshly than Orthodox Christians because they never received state subsidies and had no compulsory religious education in schools. Nor did synagogues have many articles of value which the regime could appropriate. Nevertheless, under the terms of this decree, synagogues with their contents were as much subject to confiscation as churches...
...by the end of the 1930s no functioning synagogues remained.
Severe punishments awaited Jews who practiced religion in private."
(source: R.Pipes: "Russia under the Bolshevik regime",1994)

	21-04-2002 16:55									#106
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According to ABC news radio... the accusations of war crimes in Jenin are false.

	21-04-2002 17:38									#107
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S.Kroeze : ... you take him seriously. *points finger and laughs*

	21-04-2002 17:54									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Dalgetti S.Kroeze : ... you take him seriously. *points finger and laughs*

I guess you are right here.

At the same time, I fear that the disastrous policy of Israel and its Western allies during the last 35 years will inevitably result in the complete ruin of Israel AND the Middle East.
The attack on the WTC was probably only the beginning....

	21-04-2002 18:00									#109
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well, I don't think it has to do only with the western alies. The people of the region don't throw away their obsolete habits.

	21-04-2002 18:08									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Dalgetti well, I don't think it has to do only with the western alies. The people of the region don't throw away their obsolete habits.

Again I agree.

That's the reason why it would have been better when Israel wouldn't have been created. And without Hitler and the Holocaust it would never have been.

No one EVER asked the Arab population whether they liked to become part of a Jewish state.

	21-04-2002 18:16									#111
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sure they did ask. The arabs said 'no'.

but the jews that already were in parts of the country, and even were a majority in them, said 'hell yeah! we want a country!'.
The arabs said, 'No way , jose. It's all mine'. The brits said , "fvck it, we're going home" .

war errupted. jews won.

	21-04-2002 18:25									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Dalgetti The arabs said 'no'.

I would consider that a clear warning.....

	21-04-2002 18:40									#113
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oh , so now we should be afraid of bullying?

	21-04-2002 20:04									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Dalgetti oh , so now we should be afraid of bullying?

Whether you should be afraid is your personal decision.

Yet I am not the only one believing the state of Israel is utterly doomed.
"The second Holocaust"
So when you value your life, I would advise you to migrate as soon as possible -and I really mean it.

	21-04-2002 20:12									#115
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Where would you recommend he go and how will that make Jews safer in the long run? It seems axiomatic to me that having military force makes survival more likely.

	22-04-2002 20:52									#116
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An interesting picture that shows the true proportions of the "destruction" and the "massacre".

http://www.idf.il/english/news/mapjenin.stm

	22-04-2002 20:55									#117
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quote: Originally posted by jimmytrick Israel has the means to kill thousands upon thousands of Palestinians, but they don't. Arafat has the means to kill dozens of Israelis. And he does. Israel may not hold the moral high ground but to insinuate that their actions are as reprehensible as Arafat's is insulting to our intellegence and plainly insentitive to the truth.

I completely agree with Jimmytrick (for the first time ever...)

	22-04-2002 20:56									#118
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those pictures do not show the people that are killed, only the building that are destroyed.

	22-04-2002 21:14									#119
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quote: Originally posted by S. Kroeze Whether you should be afraid is your personal decision. Yet I am not the only one believing the state of Israel is utterly doomed. "The second Holocaust" So when you value your life, I would advise you to migrate as soon as possible -and I really mean it.

And when kids start bullying my children in school because they are Jews(happened recently in Norway), they'll move to another school? And when i'm attacked on the street because i'm a Jew(France), I'll run away? And we'll help fixing the local synagogue once in a month(all of Europe)? And repainting the graves of my parents once in a while, removing the swastikas painted on them?(world wide)

Nope. I'd rather die like the leaders of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising than to hide my identity in any place I go to(and such day will eventually come for the European Jewry).

	22-04-2002 22:15									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Eli I'd rather die like the leaders of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising than to hide my identity in any place I go to(and such day will eventually come for the European Jewry).

It is amazing how well you are able to express the emotions of the Palestinians. They have been living for some 35 years under ghetto-like circumstances.

They cannot travel abroad, marry or even dig a well without permission of the Israeli government.

And most of them are willing to die.....

Should the British have tried to continue their empire in India, though this is a far more -less desert, more mineral resources- alluring country?

I suspect you never read newspapers. Otherwise you would know that European Muslims are frequently despised, not the Jews.
Personally I do not like women with headscarfs.