17-04-2002 22:21									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu I think it's the other way around. Your body takes on different physical states depending on your emotional state. The emotional state dictates what the brain tells your body to do. The brain does not tell the body to create an emotional state : the emotional state causes the body to respond.

Emotions are not felt in the brain, they are felt in the body. Your brain interprets outside stimuli.

	17-04-2002 22:28									#32
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I reckon not all emotions have physiological roots. For example, hate, grudge, jealousy, etc.

	17-04-2002 22:30									#33
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True, but you will have been trained by your life experience on how to interpret stimuli. If someone were to call my SO a n***** b****, I wouldn't have time to stop, analyze the phrase, and see how I felt about it. I'd be kicking their ass. Afterwards I might "think about how that made me feel."

	17-04-2002 22:33									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Emotions are not felt in the brain, they are felt in the body. Your brain interprets outside stimuli.

Emotions result from stimuli : a good song, a smell, the sight of a corpse.
But by itself, each of these is only a bunch of information. The brain assigns a value to that information. Then the emotional state occurs. And the brains sends the corresponding orders to the body : produce adrenalin, relax, puke etc...

	17-04-2002 22:35									#35
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quote: Emotions are not felt in the brain, they are felt in the body. Your brain interprets outside stimuli.

Sure... Your brain doesn't hurt when you are kicked in the nuts, but your brain does interpret the incoming signals and sends signals back to the body in reaction.
It's exactly the same with other emotions. Most of the processing and interpreting of incoming "data" happens in the brain, unconsciously.

	17-04-2002 22:39									#36
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If that's the case we need to get rid of censorship.


If I call someone a cocksucker and they get offended, that is their fault.

	17-04-2002 22:40									#37
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hey that wasn't censored for some reason. but I used cockroach earlier and that was censored. weird

	17-04-2002 22:42									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu Emotions result from stimuli : a good song, a smell, the sight of a corpse. But by itself, each of these is only a bunch of information. The brain assigns a value to that information. Then the emotional state occurs...

...in the body


We almost completely agree.

	17-04-2002 22:44									#39
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How do you pronounce Tomato ?

	17-04-2002 22:46									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu How do you pronounce Tomato ?

tomato.

	17-04-2002 22:47									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia tomato.

Capital "T"

	17-04-2002 23:49									#42
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"Don't get mad. Get even!"

	18-04-2002 00:35									#43
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the second someone mentions the crock that is karma i reserve the right to shoot them and blame it on the fact that they wronged me in another life.
cali: i think it's a combo of your environment and your innate reaction to things caused by genes. if you loose your job, of course you're gonna feel bad! if your mom gets mugged, of course you're gonna get pissed. and then there's the chemical instabilities that reside in the brains of people with chronic depression. now physically they DO cause this distubance..but not consciously.
sometimes though, there just isn't anyone to blame. **** happens.

	18-04-2002 00:37									#44
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I guess I shouldnt have put the word "blame" in the title, but I wanted it to be eye-catching.

	18-04-2002 00:38									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia I agree, but I needed a provocative thread title didnt I?

You little troll you

	18-04-2002 00:39									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison You little troll you

Trolls are the lifeblood of this forum.

	18-04-2002 00:55									#47
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Bottom line on this is the only one anyone can "blame" is themselves. We are each in control of our own thoughts, ideas and reactions. Yes someone can call us a gay **** or "wrong" us, speak ill or flame the hell out of us. Whatever it may be for that day but we are the ones who make the decision if we get angry or give that person the satisfaction of a response.

It's our choice to exhibit the negative behavior that lives within us all. I've always thought that it takes much more energy to be negative then nice.

quote: the second someone mentions the crock that is karma i reserve the right to shoot them and blame it on the fact that they wronged me in another life.

Each person has their own belief system. I happen to be one of those people who believes in Karma. It might not be that they've wronged you, you may have it reversed. It may be that you wronged them in another life. Who's to say.

I would agree with Mercator in that it does all get processed in the brain.....but the heart or emotions tend to over rule the brain in many cases. There are times when we get pissed and we know we shouldn't and it's serves no purpose (except to make us feel better in that moment) but we still do it anyway. No amount of logic is going to sway us from our intent to be pissed off.

	18-04-2002 01:09									#48
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I believe in Karma. Nothing like a good curry, even if a little mild

Just remember one important facts: all humans are bastards. My dealings with people today have done much to reinforce this belief.

	18-04-2002 01:10									#49
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well said Tiamat

	18-04-2002 01:11									#50
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Ahhh, yes, it works to a point. Then there's the one person who's waaaaay too nice and you can't figure out how the theory works for them - and you start to loathe the individual. "Why can't you be a bastard!" Ahhh, happy days.

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They'll stab you in the back in the end.

	18-04-2002 01:13									#52
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Caligastia is to blame for all my negative emotions....

-=Vel=-

Nahhh, I don't have any negative emotions...

	18-04-2002 01:14									#53
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Always, but it's hard to find the proof, the damn sneaky nice people.

	18-04-2002 01:19									#54
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They're the ones you have to watch out for the most. They can do the most damage because they have infiltrated further into your life.

Don't trust any of the sh*ts.

	18-04-2002 01:31									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia well said Tiamat

Thanks!

Provost ~ there are those who you feel really are just way to nice for their own good and nothing seems to phase them. And yes sometimes we want to beat the ever loving shite out of them.....but take comfort in knowing that they may live a shorter life then we do because they probably keep it all bottled up inside and it eats at them. If they don't then you can beat the shite out of them

	18-04-2002 01:36									#56
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I've just had a situation where I have been judged by someone who barely even knows me, which may cause me a lot of difficulties in the near future, so excuse me if my faith in my fellow man at the present moment isn't too high.

	18-04-2002 01:37									#57
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I've found out of necessity that it is possible to override emotions to some extent.

I was diagnosed with manic-depression (bipolar disorder) about eight years ago; at that time my "natural" emotions were destructive. During the manic part of the cycle I wouldn't be able to sleep, and during the depressive part I'd be absolutely miserable and would just want to sleep all of the time. Meds fixed me up, but they weren't a very good long-term solution; vastly increased levels of stress would throw my brain even more out of kilter, to the point that the meds would simply stop functioning, and I'd be right back to where I started.

However, I've learned how to gain quite a bit of control over my emotions. When I'm in the manic part of the cycle I'm now able to focus my previously unfocused-but-heightened mental aptitude; where I used to sleep for an hour or two every night (at most) during my manic cycle, I now sleep for six to seven hours every night (the loss of only a single hour at most, as I usually sleep seven hours a night). When I'm in the depressive part of the cycle I'm able to "filter" out the irrational emotions; I'm able to recognize the "unnatural" emotions and basically turn them off until the cycle passes. When my stress level substantially increases I just need to be on my toes, but it's nothing I'm not able to handle (unlike the meds, which would crap out on me when I needed them to be working the most). As a result, I haven't needed to take the meds in about two years, and am doing better than I was ever doing on the meds.

The thing is, the emotions I'm overriding aren't natural, they're the result of a disease. It's not like I'm trying to turn myself into Spock or something, I wouldn't recommend that to anybody. I don't even try to filter out the anger, sadness, or elation that occurs as a result of everyday life, since as far as I'm concerned they belong there. The destructive emotions are the only ones that need to be filtered out, not all of them.

	18-04-2002 01:52									#58
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I think thats pretty awesome loinburger!

Good for you!

	18-04-2002 05:48									#59
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1) You own your emotions --- saying, "You make me angry!" gives that other person seem like they have more power over you than they really have. You give the impression that they own your feelings, rather than yourself.

2) How you perceive what a person does affects how you will feel or react. So a better, more self-empowering response would be this: "I feel very slighted when our telephone calls are cut off abruptly."

This lets the person know that he or she is not treating you with respect over the telephone, and using the "I" language shows that you, and only you, own your feelings.

	18-04-2002 12:18									#60
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evidence:
1) schizophrenics
2) autism
3) severe bi-polars (real ones..not misdiagnosed which happens as much as kids are falsely diagnosed with ADD)
4) brain tumors that press of certain parts of the brain
5) other forms of brain damage ..like the amygdala (the brain's part that controls emotion) in addition to the hypothalamus

have your belief system. doesn't make it right. Christianity is more plausible than the idea of karma. i think most people use it and the idea of auras against people they don't like and exclude themselves from the analysis. wait. i know people that do this.

the heart is a mere organ that pumps blood. again, it all goes back to the brain where the mind resides.

and i'm excluding all discussion of being under the influence of alcohol or drugs because one actually is responsible in that sense..as they choose to take it.

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