17-04-2002 21:31									#1
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You are the one who decides to interpret what is happening around you in a way that brings these emotions on.

Emotions are basically different physical states that your body takes on depending on what your brain tells it. If your brain doesnt tell your body to create an emotional state then it wont happen.

So the statement "You are making me angry" is false.

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	17-04-2002 21:36									#2
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fook you pr!ck

(now tell your mind not to give any negative signals you w@nker!)

	17-04-2002 21:37									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia So the statement "You are making me angry" is false.

The cause of that anger is a reaction in your brain. I can give you that. BUT, the reaction in your brain is cause by you.
If you steal something from me, it will be your fault if I'm angry because you will have cause the reaction in my brain.

Spec.

	17-04-2002 21:39									#4
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Are you saying that we have control over our emotions ? That we can "reason" our emotions away ?

In that case i agree but only to a certain degree. I'd like to think that i have some type of control over the way i feel.. but i ain't Spock. And i don't want to be.

	17-04-2002 21:42									#5
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That's the latest in shrink-babble.

So, if you get mugged on the way in to work, and the guy decides for the hell of it to kick your face in, then in the hospital, you find out you're uninsured, because your business partner let the policy lapse while embezzling everything you've spent the last 15 years building up, and then you call home, and get a message from your wife telling you she's left you for another woman, and cleaned out your savings, but you can have the mortgage and the kids -

If you have any problems with that, it's your own damn fault.

	17-04-2002 21:45									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Spectator If you steal something from me, it will be your fault if I'm angry because you will have cause the reaction in my brain. Spec.

Well the cause of the reaction is your interpretation of the events. Someone may steal from you but you can choose not to be angry because you realize that getting angry is futile. If you get angry it is because you choose to let the event anger you.

Of course, many people would feel angry if someone stole from them, and stealing is wrong, but the emotion is not directly caused by the event.

	17-04-2002 21:50									#7
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Well it is a bit silly. Emotions are a general endocrine neurochemical response to a situation, gearing your brain to a completely different means of functioning, whether it be fear, excitement, apprehension, etc, etc. To say that you can prevent them is bullsh*t. You try stopping yourself from increasing your heart rate through secretion of adrenaline and relaxing all anal autonomic function when someone is about to put a bullet in your head. You do this for a reason: adrenaline for the 'fight and flee' response, mobilises energy reserves, increases availability of oxygen and glucose to muscles through increased circulation (hence can move faster, for longer, or more powerfully). And you crap yourself to lose unnecessary mass.

To control is not always possible. You may be able to change certain habits with long term work or even psychoactive drugs, but the deeper underlying emotional response - no.

	17-04-2002 21:51									#8
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So I can call you a lot of stupid names, but it is your own fault if you feel insulted then?

	17-04-2002 21:52									#9
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat That's the latest in shrink-babble. So, if you get mugged on the way in to work, and the guy decides for the hell of it to kick your face in, then in the hospital, you find out you're uninsured, because your business partner let the policy lapse while embezzling everything you've spent the last 15 years building up, and then you call home, and get a message from your wife telling you she's left you for another woman, and cleaned out your savings, but you can have the mortgage and the kids - If you have any problems with that, it's your own damn fault.

No, of course the normal reaction would be to feel angry and upset. Also in your example something physically happened, I am talking mostly about emotions that occur after something is said to you.

What I am saying is that emotions are not caused by what happened (unless you are physically affected), they are caused by your interpretation of events. Two people can have exactly the same thing happen to them and they will interpret the event differently and feel different emotions.

	17-04-2002 21:54									#10
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BeBro, be my guest

	17-04-2002 21:57									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison To control is not always possible. You may be able to change certain habits with long term work or even psychoactive drugs, but the deeper underlying emotional response - no.

The potential for control is different in different people. Emotions are chemical changes that happen in our body, and our brain controls our body.

	17-04-2002 21:58									#12
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro So I can call you a lot of stupid names, but it is your own fault if you feel insulted then?

Exactly. Who cares what you (for instance) think ?

	17-04-2002 21:59									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia The potential for control is different in different people. Emotions are chemical changes that happen in our body, and our brain controls our body.

Try this : tell your lungs to stop breathing.

	17-04-2002 21:59									#14
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Man hasn't got a free will in the first place, so noone is to blame for anything.

That is, if I killed you, it wouldn't be my fault, since I didn't knew better.

	17-04-2002 21:59									#15
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro So I can call you a lot of stupid names, but it is your own fault if you feel insulted then?

I can either choose to feel insulted or decide that it doesnt matter what you call me because I know what you say isnt true.

The saying is true - "Sticks and stones can break my bones but names will never hurt me"

	17-04-2002 22:00									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia The potential for control is different in different people. Emotions are chemical changes that happen in our body, and our brain controls our body.

Three words for you: autonomic nervous system.

	17-04-2002 22:01									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu Try this : tell your lungs to stop breathing.

Since when is breathing an emotion?

	17-04-2002 22:04									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Since when is breathing an emotion?

Welllllll, if you were to start stopping breathing, you might get emotional.

	17-04-2002 22:05									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Since when is breathing an emotion?

This is about being able to control your body. No matter how much control you think you have, you will not be able to stop yourself from breathing after a certain point.

	17-04-2002 22:05									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Three words for you: autonomic nervous system.

Ok, most of our body. Of course there are parts of our body that work on their own, but the parts that feel emotion are controlled by the brain unless they are affected by some outside influence.

Was there any part of your studies that dealt with emotions Provost? I would be interested to know what you have learned in this area.

	17-04-2002 22:06									#21
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Breathing is an automatic bodily reflex, not a considered reflex.

	17-04-2002 22:06									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu This is about being able to control your body. No matter how much control you think you have, you will not be able to stop yourself from breathing after a certain point.

Im only talking about controlling the parts of your body that affect your emotions.

	17-04-2002 22:07									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison BeBro, be my guest

you Provost!

	17-04-2002 22:09									#24
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Now THAT'S a cussing.

	17-04-2002 22:11									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Ok, most of our body. Of course there are parts of our body that work on their own, but the parts that feel emotion are controlled by the brain unless they are affected by some outside influence. Was there any part of your studies that dealt with emotions Provost? I would be interested to know what you have learned in this area.

I've learnt plenty thanks

It's a hormonal thing in response to nervous stimuli to the pituitary gland. To an extent, yes, it depends on how you interpret the stimuli, but I would expect that there is a certain limit to a person's tolerance. And whether it is healthy or not to restrain these emotions too much. You don't sense these things for nothing you know, if you have problems, you need to work on them. The 'it's your own fault for negative emotions' is reductionist and potentially dangerous. Some people do have neurochemical imbalances and need help with correction.

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	17-04-2002 22:18									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Three words for you: autonomic nervous system.

I read somewhere that Yoga and other similar exercises can be used to slow down heartbeat.

	17-04-2002 22:19									#29
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quote: Emotions are basically different physical states that your body takes on depending on what your brain tells it. If your brain doesnt tell your body to create an emotional state then it wont happen.

I think it's the other way around.
Your body takes on different physical states depending on your emotional state. The emotional state dictates what the brain tells your body to do.
The brain does not tell the body to create an emotional state : the emotional state causes the body to respond.

	17-04-2002 22:19									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison It's a hormonal thing in response to nervous stimuli to the pituitary gland. To an extent, yes, it depends on how you interpret the stimuli, but I would expect that there is a certain limit to a person's tolerance. And whether it is healthy or not to restrain these emotions too much. You don't sense these things for nothing you know, if you have problems, you need to work on them. The 'it's your own fault for negative emotions' is reductionist and potentially dangerous. Some people do have neurochemical imbalances and need help with correction.

I agree, but I needed a provocative thread title didnt I?