25-04-2002 13:37									#1
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A British court rejects the request by the US to extradite sept 11 suspect. The US suspects the 28 year old Lotfi Raissi, who is of Algerian decent. He was arrested in Britain last september, but judge Timothy Workman said no evidence was found to support the accusations.

Source: Metro, refering to an ANP and BBC report.

	25-04-2002 13:52									#2
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A british Judge ... doesn't mean Britain !!!

Just the same as the American judge that refused to accept that Brit on death rows appeal .. even though an appeal came from the UK government ..

These things happen all the time.

Im pretty certain, if the American Government has a good reason to want this guy, they will come up with the evidence and he will go ..

Its not as though we want to keep suspected terrorist in our country do we ..

	25-04-2002 14:02									#3
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No he won't, unless the US agrees not to subject him to capital punishment

	25-04-2002 14:31									#4
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quote: A british Judge ... doesn't mean Britain !!!

So the British governement can just ignore the ruling of a judge if it choses to do so? So much for democracy.

	25-04-2002 14:42									#5
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I did not say that , but if new evidence is provided .. then the case can be legally reviewed .. I can't see how that is undemocratic ??

There is a structure of appeal in this country .. and if a judge makes a judgement, it can be taken to High Court, to the Lords, and even the European courts of justice in some cases .. if the American Government wants, they can appeal..

I was just objecting to the statement "Britain refuses to extradite" .. it was a British Judge.... just as the American judge refused appeal .. Thats not the American Governments or American peoples fault .. its just the decision of a judge using American law ..

	25-04-2002 15:16									#6
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What UR said.

	25-04-2002 17:43									#7
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Yes, if USA want this guy, certainly some evidences will be found on a computer bought by a NSA member for his kids for next christmas!!

	25-04-2002 17:51									#8
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I think the case was that the US who requested extradition FAILED to offer ANY evidence.

The fault Dear Brutus.........

	25-04-2002 17:53									#9
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HAND HIM OVER YOU CRUMPET EATING ****ERS!

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I can't say W@nker?

	25-04-2002 20:02									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger No he won't, unless the US agrees not to subject him to capital punishment

Want to bet a dollar?

	25-04-2002 20:04									#12
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you can always say kittenkiller

	26-04-2002 05:39									#13
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Want to bet a dollar?

Don't the Brits have laws against extraditing prisoners into situations where they face the death penalty, along with the rest of the EU?

	26-04-2002 12:05									#14
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Probably but the issue is really down to the fact that the US produced no evidence to support their contention that he was connected to the outrage.

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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Don't the Brits have laws against extraditing prisoners into situations where they face the death penalty, along with the rest of the EU?

So did Canada, but we recently extradited Charles Ng back to California, no? (It kinda made big news here, since the serial killer was arrested at the local mall for shoplifting, of all things, and he shot an unarmed mall security guard before being tackled )

	26-04-2002 12:12									#16
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We don't have laws against it, Asher. They're beginning to think about making them, though.

EDIT: the proposal I heard was to protect only citizens from extradition on death-penalty charges

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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse We don't have laws against it, Asher. They're beginning to think about making them, though.

Are you sure? Because we delayed shipping him down there for many many years because of the death penalty...

	26-04-2002 12:14									#18
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Yes, I'm sure. He might have tried to use existing laws to show that extradition would violate his rights somehow, though.

	26-04-2002 12:16									#19
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Here's what I've found so far:
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial/ng/6.htm

quote: Any elation at his capture was soon dispelled, however, when John Cosbie, the Canadian Justice Minister, announced that under the terms of a 1976 extradition treaty with the United States, he had refused the request for Ng's extradition as Canada, having abolished capital punishment, would not release any prisoner charged with a capital crime that carried the death penalty.

	26-04-2002 12:19									#20
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Which means it's under the discretion of the Justice Minister. I'm pretty sure Euro countries have actually passed laws prohibiting such extraditions. This is very different, since you need the legislature to change the rules, whereas if it falls under executive purview then the decision can be made overnight.

	26-04-2002 12:20									#21
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Which means it's under the discretion of the Justice Minister. I'm pretty sure Euro countries have actually passed laws prohibiting such extraditions. This is very different, since you need the legislature to change the rules, whereas if it falls under executive purview then the decision can be made overnight.

It said "under terms of the treaty", which means extraditing anyone to face the death penalty would break the treaty. How is this any different from breaking domestically passed laws?

	26-04-2002 12:22									#22
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No, it says

quote: under the terms of a 1976 extradition treaty with the United States, he had refused the request for Ng's extradition as Canada, having abolished capital punishment, would not release any prisoner charged with a capital crime that carried the death penalty

Note the use of the word "would" instead of "could". The treaty wouldn't limit Canada's ability to extradite criminals; it would limit our obligation to do so.

	26-04-2002 12:25									#23
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It's like this: the treaty says that we have to extradite criminals, except when they might face the death penalty. The Justice Minister can still decide to extradite in such cases, but a law would prevent him from doing so. Capiche?

	26-04-2002 12:25									#24
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So it took 6 years for them to change their mind? He was arrested in 85, shipped south in 91...

Seems a bit long if all they had to do was say "Oh, okay, you can do it now". But then again, this is the Canadian Federal Government.

	26-04-2002 12:26									#25
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They shouldn't have shipped him south at all. Bastard Tories.

	26-04-2002 12:29									#26
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You really want to spend Canadian tax dollars keeping someone who is completely and utterly proven to be guilty from being shipped down to face the death penalty? There was video of his involvement.

I sure as hell don't want my tax dollars keeping someone else's prisoners.

	26-04-2002 12:30									#27
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I'd rather do that than have his blood on my hands.

	26-04-2002 12:31									#28
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I'd love to have his blood on my hands.

	26-04-2002 12:33									#29
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Bloodthirsty Albertan.

	26-04-2002 12:37									#30
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The man lived his life to take life from others, why should we pay to keep him alive and mock the families of those he killed?