05-05-2002 07:52									#121
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Here's possibly the most arcane music trivia question possible: "Name the instances of consecutive record catalogue numbers making #1 on the British charts?".

So arcane I won't even ask it.

In fact, we should have a contest to find the most arcane question. Can you beat the above, Snappy?

Of course, we would need a judge. Who better than Fiera? If he can drag himself back from a Spanish beach on one of his myriad holidays?

	06-05-2002 05:03									#122
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quote: Originally posted by finbar This one's intriguing.

I also find it extremely intriguing. I can only make another wild guess: "Happy XMas (War is Over)". I know it's not a 80s song, though it charted both in 1980 and 1981. This one was a big seller but never hit the top spot.

And I'll be honoured to be the judge, but I find finbar's last question so arcane that I can't even understand what he's asking...

	06-05-2002 05:05									#123
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Oh, and yes, the holidays are over now. So that means no 5 am posts for me...

	06-05-2002 05:08									#124
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Actually, two out of the three are Christmas songs. Not war is over, though.

	06-05-2002 05:19									#125
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Hmm, I reckon that Wham's "Last Xmas" is a serious contender then.

	06-05-2002 05:28									#126
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There we go. Correct, overshadowed by Do They Know It's Christmas but still easily #1 any other week.

	06-05-2002 06:06									#127
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quote: Originally posted by Fiera And I'll be honoured to be the judge, but I find finbar's last question so arcane that I can't even understand what he's asking...

Every record has its recording company catalogue number. Like a file number. The reference - usually a combination of letters and numbers, and, for the most part, made up of the recording company's name followed by numbers - appears somewhere on the record's label. "Hey Jude", for example, had the catalogue number Apple R 5722.

These days, record company's catalogue numbers are incredibly idiosyncratic, so consecutive releases often don't even have consecutive numbers. But in the old days they did.

So a couple of answers to the question would be:

RCA 1226 Elvis Presley - "Wooden Heart"
RCA 1227 Elvis Presley - "Surrender"

CBS 3124 Georgie Fame - "Ballad of Bonnie & Clyde"
CBS 3125 Love Affair - "Everlasting Love"

Make sense now?

	06-05-2002 06:11									#128
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Have we cleaned up all the outstanding questions? If so, here's one to go on with. If not, here's one to go on with anyway.

Again, it's the British charts. In the 1960s, there were 10 cases of records making #1, slipping for at least one week, then returning to #1. Can you name them?

	06-05-2002 21:35									#129
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Curse me for only having computer-based sources! With a book that question would be considerably easier.

Not a clue.

Here's a counter-question meanwhile:

Parents and Children: Of the combinations Father-Son, Father-Daughter, Mother-Son and Mother-Daughter, one is unique in that that type of parent and that type of offspring in one family has never had a #1 hit either separately in their own right or together. Which one? Can you name instances of parents and offspring topping the chart either separately or together for the remaining three entries?

	06-05-2002 22:42									#130
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quote: Originally posted by finbar Again, it's the British charts. In the 1960s, there were 10 cases of records making #1, slipping for at least one week, then returning to #1. Can you name them?

I can only think of seven singles to do it (you're talkin' about singles, right?):

1960 Cliff Richard & The Shadows "Please Don't Tease"
1961 John Leyton "Johnny Remember Me"
1963 Cliff Richard & The Shadows "Summer Holiday"
1963 The Beatles "She Loves You"
1964 Roy Orbison "Oh Pretty Woman"
1968/1969 Scaffold "Lily The Pink"
1969 Marmalade "Ob-la-di Ob-la-da"

	07-05-2002 04:22									#131
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quote: Originally posted by Fiera I can only think of seven singles to do it (you're talkin' about singles, right?):

'Natch!

quote: 1960 Cliff Richard & The Shadows "Please Don't Tease"

quote: 1961 John Leyton "Johnny Remember Me"

quote: 1963 Cliff Richard & The Shadows "Summer Holiday"

quote: 1963 The Beatles "She Loves You"

quote: 1964 Roy Orbison "Oh Pretty Woman"

quote: 1968/1969 Scaffold "Lily The Pink"

quote: 1969 Marmalade "Ob-la-di Ob-la-da"

Good going, Fiera! You're only missing two from 1965 and one from 1968.

PS. "She Loves You" was away from #1 for the longest - 7 weeks.

	07-05-2002 04:27									#132
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quote: Originally posted by Snapcase Curse me for only having computer-based sources! With a book that question would be considerably easier.

Invest in books! Hours and hours of endless fun. Wake up in the middle of the night? Can't get back to sleep? Pick up the "Faber Companion to 20th Century Popular Music".

	07-05-2002 04:34									#133
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quote: Originally posted by Snapcase Parents and Children: Of the combinations Father-Son, Father-Daughter, Mother-Son and Mother-Daughter, one is unique in that that type of parent and that type of offspring in one family has never had a #1 hit either separately in their own right or together. Which one? Can you name instances of parents and offspring topping the chart either separately or together for the remaining three entries?

Are we talking British charts? Or everywhere? If we're talking British -

Natalie and Nat King Cole fit the first bill.

The Sinatras - Frank and Nancy - obviously fit the second bill.

	07-05-2002 04:37									#134
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I've finally found an on-line source with every #1 listed in order, and there are definately not two more in 65 and one in 68. All the ones Fiera named are present and correct, though, so I'm slightly suspicious of your source, finbar!

Yes, British Charts. Niether of the coles had #1 hits, unfortunately.

	07-05-2002 05:03									#135
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quote: Originally posted by Snapcase I've finally found an on-line source with every #1 listed in order, and there are definately not two more in 65 and one in 68. All the ones Fiera named are present and correct, though, so I'm slightly suspicious of your source, finbar!

The outstanding ones according to my source are:

1965 : Elvis Presley - "Crying In The Chapel"
1965: Hollies - "I'm Alive"
1968: Tommy James & The Shondells - "Mony Mony"

I'd be very surprised if my source is wrong, but I can cross-check and I will.

quote: Yes, British Charts. Niether of the coles had #1 hits, unfortunately.

Wasn't that the first half of your question? Which parent/sibling relationship DIDN'T have a #1? Or did I misread the question?

	07-05-2002 05:06									#136
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Might have worded it badly. This is what I meant, to clarify:

One of the following statements is false.

(a) There has been a woman and her son who both have had a #1 hit, either together or separately.

(b) There has been a woman and her daughter who both have had a #1 hit, either together or separately.

(c) There has been a man and his son who both have had a #1 hit, either together or separately.

(d) There has been a man and his daughter who both have had a #1 hit, either together or separately.

Which one?

	07-05-2002 05:10									#137
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"Crying in the Chapel" only spent one week at #1, I'm alive the following two. "Mony Mony" spent two consecutive weeks at #1 in August 1968.

	07-05-2002 05:15									#138
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Here's a deceptively simple question to go with yours, finbar:

AFTER O-bla-di-o-bla-da, what was the next #1 hit that returned to #1?

	07-05-2002 05:26									#139
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I've cross-checked. Results as follows:

1965: "Crying In The Chapel" was #1 for one week - 17/6/65 - and for another week from 1/7/65.

1965: "I'm Alive" was #1 for one week - 24/6/65 - and for another two weeks from 8/7/65.

1968: "Mony Mony" was #1 for two weeks from 31/7/68 and for another one week from 21/8/68.

It might boil down to which charts of the time are being used as the source. And they did vary. As they still do. My source are based on "Record Retailer" magazine which was also the source of the BBC's charts. Just out of interest, in order to compare your - and obviously Fiera's - and my sources, I'll list the #1s either side of the ones I've detailed above:

27/5/65 - "Long Live Love" (Sandie Shaw) for 3 weeks
17/6/65 - "Crying In The Chapel" (Elvis Presley) for 1 week
24/6/65 - "I'm Alive" (Hollies) for 1 week
1/7/65 - "Crying In The Chapel" (Elvis Presley) for 1 week
8/7/65 - "I'm Alive" (Hollies) for 2 weeks
22/7/65 - "Mr Tambourine Man" (Byrds) for 2 weeks
5/8/65 - "Help!" (Beatles) for 3 weeks

Now I'll skip a couple of years:

24/7/68 - "I Pretend" (Des O'Connor) for 1 week
31/7/68 - "Mony Mony" (Tommy James, etc) for 2 weeks
14/8/68 - "Fire" (C.W. of A.B.) for 1 week
21/8/68 - "Mony Mony" (Tommy James, etc) for 1 week
28/8/68 - "Do It Again" (Beachboys) for 1 week
4/9/68 - "I've Gotta Get A Message To You" (Bee Gees) for 1 week.

How do they compare?

	07-05-2002 05:29									#140
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quote: Originally posted by Snapcase Might have worded it badly. This is what I meant, to clarify: One of the following statements is false. (a) There has been a woman and her son who both have had a #1 hit, either together or separately. (b) There has been a woman and her daughter who both have had a #1 hit, either together or separately. (c) There has been a man and his son who both have had a #1 hit, either together or separately. (d) There has been a man and his daughter who both have had a #1 hit, either together or separately. Which one?

That's putting it more simply???

Anyway, I'll read it very very closely.

	07-05-2002 05:37									#141
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quote: Originally posted by Snapcase Might have worded it badly. This is what I meant, to clarify: One of the following statements is false.

Ahhhh! Now I get it. Couldn't be more different to my interpretation of the original. Odd, that.

Anyway, (d) is a true statement - via the Sinatras - so we can eliminate that one.

	07-05-2002 06:18									#142
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And (c) is also a true statement - via, at least, Julio and Enrique Iglesias - so we can eliminate that one, too.

Sorry, Fiera, that was probably one for you.

	07-05-2002 06:26									#143
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quote: Originally posted by finbar 27/5/65 - "Long Live Love" (Sandie Shaw) for 3 weeks 17/6/65 - "Crying In The Chapel" (Elvis Presley) for 1 week 24/6/65 - "I'm Alive" (Hollies) for 1 week 1/7/65 - "Crying In The Chapel" (Elvis Presley) for 1 week 8/7/65 - "I'm Alive" (Hollies) for 2 weeks 22/7/65 - "Mr Tambourine Man" (Byrds) for 2 weeks 5/8/65 - "Help!" (Beatles) for 3 weeks Now I'll skip a couple of years: 24/7/68 - "I Pretend" (Des O'Connor) for 1 week 31/7/68 - "Mony Mony" (Tommy James, etc) for 2 weeks 14/8/68 - "Fire" (C.W. of A.B.) for 1 week 21/8/68 - "Mony Mony" (Tommy James, etc) for 1 week 28/8/68 - "Do It Again" (Beachboys) for 1 week 4/9/68 - "I've Gotta Get A Message To You" (Bee Gees) for 1 week. How do they compare?

My source shows two obvious errors in both years. It's supposed to be listed in chronological order, yet it lists "Crying in the Chapel" as #1 in 1 July, before "I'm Alive" in 24 June. The same goes for 1968 with "Do It Again" and "Fire".

So I'm guessing finbar's source is right, and Snapcase's and mine are wrong. They're probably the same! Martin's Music rings a bell?

	07-05-2002 06:28									#144
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quote: Originally posted by finbar And (c) is also a true statement - via, at least, Julio and Enrique Iglesias - so we can eliminate that one, too.

We could eliminate those from this thread either way...

	07-05-2002 06:30									#145
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quote: Originally posted by Fiera We could eliminate those from this thread either way...

I wish there were a smilie for wetting your pants with laughter.

Now go to bed!

	07-05-2002 08:39									#146
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quote: Originally posted by Snapcase (b) There has been a woman and her daughter who both have had a #1 hit, either together or separately.

I've got possible candidates for this one, but, as yet, no hard evidence. It also depends on the definition "had a #1 hit". If it can be taken to mean performed on a #1 hit - as distinct from being the named artist or a member of the named group - then Cissy and daughter Whitney Houston could qualify.

Whitney hit #1 with "Saving All My Love For You" in 1985. Cissy - as one of the Sweet Inspirations - backed a lot of major artists on their hits. I haven't, yet, been able to nail down a #1. But, given the quality of the artists, there must have been at least one. I have no idea whether I can nail it down. But I'll try.

All of which, of course, is irrelevant if Snappy's definition is limited to being a named artist or a member of a named group.

Edit. In fact, not being a nong, I'll wait for Snappy's ruling before I go any further.

	07-05-2002 16:41									#147
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Named, I believe, would be the custom. If you're willing to prove the question false by adding backup singers I invite you to be my guest.

Martin's Music does ring a bell , but I've been using a different site recently. Which contains the answer to all my trivia questions, so I won't reveal it.

Looking over the records they so don't add up, they're in the wrong order and the date is written wrong. So you may well be right, finbar...

	07-05-2002 17:44									#148
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quote: Originally posted by Snapcase Named, I believe, would be the custom. If you're willing to prove the question false by adding backup singers I invite you to be my guest.

Bugger.

quote: Martin's Music does ring a bell , but I've been using a different site recently. Which contains the answer to all my trivia questions, so I won't reveal it. Looking over the records they so don't add up, they're in the wrong order and the date is written wrong. So you may well be right, finbar...

I've cross-checked my sources a couple of times over the years. They're the traditional, mainstream charts, so they're pretty reliable.

I'm off to bed now. I shall arise refreshed and desperate to solve the familial thing.

	08-05-2002 11:57									#149
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Gee, I panicked and thought the thread had disappeared. Worse, it was languishing while I'm trying to nut out (a) and (b). I think I'm going to need a clue, Snappy. What sort of vintage are we talking about for the last true one? I don't mean both generations. One will do.

	08-05-2002 12:58									#150
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Hang about, don't give me a clue. I think I've narrowed a mother-son combo down to a decade. Now I just have to trawl through the decade's #1s.