29-04-2002 09:35									#1
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Five year old Danielle Shefi, apperently a legitimate target for the brave Palestinian fighters.

I hope, hope, hope, Bush get's off Sharon's case and lets him do what needs doing.

	29-04-2002 09:39									#2
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I think you'd take exception to some foreign settlers plopping down fortified settlements on your land, too. Besides, I'm quite sure the Israelis have killed kids before.

	29-04-2002 09:42									#3
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd I think you'd take exception to some foreign settlers plopping down fortified settlements on your land, too.

So how did Danielle Shefi oppress them?

	29-04-2002 09:44									#4
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Were all the civilians killed by the IDF terrorists?

There's enough of this **** to go around.

	29-04-2002 09:45									#5
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She's a dangerous killer! Next stop for the brave Palestinian freedom fighters: the supermarket! The P.L.O. just needs a few days to find some 15 year old girls and strap explosives to their chests. The damn Israeli barbarians deserve it. What gives them the right to occupy lands that they acquired from wars in which they were attacked?

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it doesn't deseerve your sick attitude though

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	29-04-2002 09:46									#7
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My sick attitude?

Well, first off, I hate the State of Israel, and considering the circumstances of the foundation of the State of Israel, I would probably be fighting them too if I were a Palestinian.

If that's sick, so be it.

	29-04-2002 09:47									#8
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd I think you'd take exception to some foreign settlers plopping down fortified settlements on your land, too. Besides, I'm quite sure the Israelis have killed kids before.

David, as your description of "foreign" falls under the "dammYankee" category, I choose to take your statement with a grain of salt the size of Gibralter.

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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd My sick attitude? Well, first off, I hate the State of Israel, and considering the circumstances of the foundation of the State of Israel, I would probably be fighting them too if I were a Palestinian. If that's sick, so be it.

Why do you hate Israel?

	29-04-2002 09:50									#10
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Were all the civilians killed by the IDF terrorists?

Were they the primary targets of the IDF (ie Does the IDF routinely enter Palestinian cities with the express purpose of killing civilians?) or were they the unfortunante victims of urban warfare?

	29-04-2002 09:51									#11
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quote: Why do you hate Israel?

USS Liberty incident, and the fact that every time they are criticized they whine about past oppression. That and the laws of Israel clearly reflect a belief that Jews are superior, such as Right of Return. Oh, and their forced slavery system doesn't make them likeable to me, either.

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Those who did this will be in rather deep trouble if ever identified/captured by the IDF. The wearing of Israeli uniforms still violates the "espionage-during-wartime" section of the Geneva Convention IIRC.
If they are captured and Id'd they can be shot after a closed military trial. ie: They will be executed.

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quote: Were they the primary targets of the IDF (ie Does the IDF routinely enter Palestinian cities with the express purpose of killing civilians?) or were they the unfortunante victims of urban warfare?

I might be able to answer that - IF the Israelis didn't cover up evidence

	29-04-2002 09:52									#14
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quote: Originally posted by nationalist Why do you hate Israel?

The USS Liberty debacle is a valid reason not to like the country. I'm suprised that you don't know that being a nationalist and all.

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Actually I'm far from a nationalist - I believe I posted in a thread that I wanted the US to get slapped around at some point so we'd stop fooling around in other people's affairs.

And to me, USS Liberty Incident is a very valid reason to hate Israel.

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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd I might be able to answer that - IF the Israelis didn't cover up evidence

So you have no evidence and are only going on your own admitted prejudice?

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Not my fault Israel covered up evidence - I think that speaks for itself though.

And if Israel felt it could gain by killing every Palestinian firstborn, I would not be surprised if they did so.

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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Actually I'm far from a nationalist - I believe I posted in a thread that I wanted the US to get slapped around at some point so we'd stop fooling around in other people's affairs. And to me, USS Liberty Incident is a very valid reason to hate Israel.

By that token....

I know who I saw dancing in the streets on tv after 9/11.

I know who my Brother saw, cheering, down the street in suburban Virginia.

I know who to like and who to hate.

	29-04-2002 09:56									#19
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Actually I'm far from a nationalist

I wasn't talking to you. You narcissistic bastard.

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Perhaps they were cheering because we support the nation that kills and oppresses them

Very understandable, I think.

Not to mention if we didn't support Israel we probably could have been spared 9/11 - but that's a different argument.

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Yup, I'm a narcissist all right. And a bastard. Cheers

	29-04-2002 09:59									#22
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Not my fault Israel covered up evidence

And when have they covered up evidence of something?

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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc The USS Liberty debacle is a valid reason not to like the country. I'm suprised that you don't know that being a nationalist and all.

I just chalk that up to being just one more surreal incident in the late 60s early 70s period.

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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Perhaps they were cheering because we support the nation that kills and oppresses them

Maybe we should help Israel finish the job and end the suffering of the poor Palestinians.

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quote: Originally posted by nationalist I just chalk that up to being just one more surreal incident in the late 60s early 70s period.

I suppose that is one way to look at an openly agressive assault on the US.

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What is the "USS Liberty Incident?" Thanks.

	29-04-2002 10:10									#27
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Perhaps they were cheering because we support the nation that kills and oppresses them Very understandable, I think. Not to mention if we didn't support Israel we probably could have been spared 9/11 - but that's a different argument.

Oh? I think that is what is known as Bullsh*t. For one thing, Osama bin Laden's bug up his ass is american Bases in Saudi Arabia, not US support for Israel.

For another, I'm refering to a Palestinian family that lives down the street from my Family...that my brother saw cheering the death of thousands of Americans. never you mind they live in(1) the wealthiest country in the world, (2) the wealthiest county in the country. They had spent time in America, got to know the people, and decided we were still not worth feeling sympathy for.

And yes, I do trust my brother on this. he has never, ever, lied to me or anyone (excepting for events such as "surprise" B0day parties).

We're talking about a subset of people who, as a whole, have proved themselves to be world class *******s unworthy of any sympathy.

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quote: Originally posted by ravagon The wearing of Israeli uniforms still violates the "espionage-during-wartime" section of the Geneva Convention IIRC.

What war? Can't you tell the Israelis have been busily denying this, just so they wouldn't have the Geneva Convention hanging over their heads?

I am not justifying Palestinian terrorist acts with IDF actions, but the Israelis are far from clean.

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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc I suppose that is one way to look at an openly agressive assault on the US.

Don't really know too much about it. From what I have seen, it seems to be blown up into some sort of sensationalist conspiracy theory. If it were as bad as it is made out to be by some, then I see no reason why the U.S. didn't retaliate. Can I chalk it up to being another mishap in the unfortunate presidency of L.B.J.? If someone wants to give me some good info on the subject (neutral books, websites, etc.) it would be appriciated. As of right now I see the incident as taking a back seat to current mid-East problems. (I too remeber the Sept. 11th video. It made me and most people I know want to join the Israeli army. Not good PR for the P.L.O.)

	29-04-2002 10:14									#30
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quote: Originally posted by nationalist What gives them the right to occupy lands that they acquired from wars in which they were attacked?

Exactly. What's the legal basis for that?