06-05-2002 16:48									#61
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun The reason why I am not in the mood to laugh at this, is I read an article a couple of weeks ago, about a gay inmate in Texas, where he was repeatedly raped and sexually assualted by other inmates for about a year, IIRC.

does that make them gay too? or at least bisexual?

	06-05-2002 17:26									#62
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quote: Originally posted by LaRusso does that make them gay too? or at least bisexual?

Not necessarially (sp).

	06-05-2002 17:32									#63
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what was sp for?

	06-05-2002 17:38									#64
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Because he can't spell "necessarily".

	06-05-2002 17:42									#65
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oh yes, he is american

	06-05-2002 21:02									#66
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quote: Originally posted by LaRusso abolishment of the death penalty is the stupidest thing CoE has on its agenda. racist argument perhaps applies in texas and bible belt, but hardly here

I agree. Abolishing the Death Penalty is stupid. It takes a legitamate tool of justice out of the hands of the people.

	06-05-2002 21:03									#67
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Not sure if that makes the attackers gay or bisexual.

Probably homophobics who either rammed objects up his ass, or did actually use their actual private part.

	06-05-2002 21:24									#68
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quote: Originally posted by nationalist I agree. Abolishing the Death Penalty is stupid. It takes a legitamate tool of justice out of the hands of the people.

Are you pro- corporal punishment in schools?

	06-05-2002 22:59									#69
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Personally, I waffle on the issue of capital punishment. On the one hand, mistakes can and will be made, and the idea that the state therefore kills innocents from time to time sickens me. On the other hand, every time I think I've decided that the death penalty should be done away with, some maniac commits a crime horrible enough for me to reconsider. If forced to pick a side, I would say abolish it, but that is by no means a firm conviction.

-Arrian

	06-05-2002 23:14									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin Are you pro- corporal punishment in schools?

Just for students like Boddington. Not cute little dolphins like you BC.

Seriously though...I got paddled, but it wasn't that often. Not a big deal. Lots of "good kids" never got anything. It's not a big hairy deal...

Definitely not analagous to capital punishment. Unless your ass is really soft...

	08-05-2002 00:42									#71
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I personally think kicking a hairy lard-arse can teach them a lesson.

Anyway, the analogy was whether any "legitimate" punishment can be removed from the people. i.e Can a "legitimate" disciplining tool be removed from parents/teachers.

	08-05-2002 00:57									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin I personally think kicking a hairy lard-arse can teach them a lesson. Anyway, the analogy was whether any "legitimate" punishment can be removed from the people. i.e Can a "legitimate" disciplining tool be removed from parents/teachers.

Congratulations --- you found an entirely separate topic that calls for a separate thread -- corporal punishment in schools.

Now, back to the death penalty and its international implications.

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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin Are you pro- corporal punishment in schools?

I'm for it, especially up to grade 8. After grade 8, I think that many students will be too big for it to have any effect. (Imagine giving the heavyweight wrestler a smacking) I think that a bruised a$$ would send the message to straighten up better than a simple detention. However, I think that the best place that corporal punishment should be used is in the home, while the child is still young enough to learn from lessons. I'd say that parents shouldn't hit children anwhere but the backside, but other than that I am 100% for corporal punishment.

	08-05-2002 01:14									#74
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Striking a child on the ass still constitutes physical violence in my opinion.

I do not care how many people on Apolyton brag about how well they are now, because of the physical violence they received as "discipline."

Again -- it does not matter WHERE you strike a child -- physical violence is physical violence.

	08-05-2002 01:22									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin I personally think kicking a hairy lard-arse can teach them a lesson. Anyway, the analogy was whether any "legitimate" punishment can be removed from the people. i.e Can a "legitimate" disciplining tool be removed from parents/teachers.

They should have the tools to do the job.

	08-05-2002 01:28									#76
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Striking a child on the ass still constitutes physical violence in my opinion. I do not care how many people on Apolyton brag about how well they are now, because of the physical violence they received as "discipline." Again -- it does not matter WHERE you strike a child -- physical violence is physical violence.

ok. Physical violence is an effective tool for behavior modification. Good for em too. Too many computer geeks running around that think that if they get a smack the world will stop...

FYI: You are participating in the TJ!

	08-05-2002 01:31									#77
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun physical violence is physical violence.

So what? That's the point of corporal punishment.

	08-05-2002 01:34									#78
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quote: Originally posted by GP ok. Physical violence is an effective tool for behavior modification. Good for em too. Too many computer geeks running around that think that if they get a smack the world will stop... FYI: You are participating in the TJ!

I know -- I guess I fell under the spell of the thread-jack topic.

And nationalist and GP --- physical violence is never appropriate for disciplining children. It just teaches that physical violence is the right way to resolve problems --- when it is not the right way.

You can brag all you want how you are now citizen role-models because of the physical violence you were subjected to. Morally, physical violence is wrong.

	08-05-2002 01:48									#79
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Morally, physical violence is wrong.

I disagree 100%. Physical violence is not always morally wrong, and spanking doesn't teach a child to always deal with things using violence.

	08-05-2002 03:17									#80
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Does anyone here remember that the US tried abolishing the DP for a period of time? Violent crime multipied during the period in which the death penalty was abolished. To aggrevate the problem monsters like Charles Manson baited the public. I'm willing to bet that of you guys had "Chuckie" in your jail making bad attempts at acting insane while giving the at large memebers of his tribe orders to kill your most prominent politicians you'd feel very different about abolishing the death penalty.

	08-05-2002 12:27									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Does anyone here remember that the US tried abolishing the DP for a period of time? Violent crime multipied during the period in which the death penalty was abolished.

What!? Violent crime doubled??

What time period?? What source did you get this data from --- from an obviously pro-death sentence source?

	08-05-2002 13:40									#82
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quote: What time period??

I'd assume from when the DP was abolished .

From Furman v. Georgia in 1972 to... Gregg v. Georgia in 1976.

edit: more specification.

	08-05-2002 13:44									#83
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prohibition. abolishment of death penalty. affirmative action. are there any more great ideas on par with yugoslav experiment of self-governance?