09-05-2002 08:01									#91
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Of course, I like to think of that big mistake as evidence of an already existing underlying weaknesses.

	09-05-2002 16:55									#92
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hi ,

what about a piece of rock that falls , .....from space , since its a big country , ....

have a nice day

	09-05-2002 17:20									#93
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America has already fallen, we just don't see it yet. It is being propped up by an illusion of prosperity that is based on paper shuffling. Someday no doubt the economy will do something unexpected and greed will take over and complete the destruction. When we are weak and the dollar loses its value our many enemies will take advantage of us and despise us for our weakness as they despose us now for our strengths.

It will end when we are attacked and conquered first by ourselves and then by an enemy who has some type of weapon of mass destruction.

	09-05-2002 17:34									#94
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quote: America has shown over the past 226 years, we can overcome any adversary, whether it is economic, political, or military.

wow. 226 years.

Funny how only Americans consider that to be a long time.

226 years of existance is a joke. 50-100 years of being a world power is also a joke. Hell, even Holland can boast those stats (existed for 434 years, world power for about a 100).

Some Americans are funny

	09-05-2002 17:59									#95
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Yes, it is hilarious. Maybe sometime after our fall, we too can be satisfied with past greatness instead of striving for it in the future.

RAH

	09-05-2002 18:10									#96
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That is the idea of the EU, to be able to compete on a level playing field. Lots of smaller nations coming together, so the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

	09-05-2002 18:12									#97
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor It'll end in Fire and then Ice of course. Actually that's the whole world(or Midgard to any contempories out there) that will first be scorched by the Giant Surtur and his hordes and then cool to space-cold Ice as entropy and the forces of chaos defeat the old world powers of life and order. I think America will be included in this.

God cheer up, life's too short

	09-05-2002 20:51									#98
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quote: Maybe sometime after our fall, we too can be satisfied with past greatness instead of striving for it in the future.

You will. We all do.

	09-05-2002 20:56									#99
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I was just thinking about this. Well if you consider world powers and the succesion so far: Rome Colonised Britain. Who Colinized America. She needs a heir first. next pattern: Rome ruled th land for the most part as Britain did the sea and America does the air. therefore it will probably be a space colony that is it's destined succesor, one with an awesome (eventually) space fleet. (i might be wrong on anything i've written here but i'm pretty sure i'm right)

	09-05-2002 20:57									#100
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Hmmm, the discussion in this thread has wandered away from how America end to if it will end.

	09-05-2002 21:01									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus You will. We all do.

No, we won't, and that is the basic difference.
Thanks for highlighting it for us.

RAH

	09-05-2002 21:04									#102
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does that surprise you? many americans refuse to belief that their country will one day be anything less than the world's #1.

	09-05-2002 21:33									#103
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Obviously, America will fall one day when Novaya Russia, under Grigor II, invades Florida through Cuba. Only through a daring raid back in time will we be able to prevent the tyranny of the Russians!

	09-05-2002 21:43									#104
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America will fall 1 day. but we have a bit of time i think

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quote: Originally posted by SKILORD America will fall 1 day. but we have a bit of time i think

ummm. Approx 20-30years before all coastal cities(east and west) will be under 10-15feet of ocean and all the insurance companies are as sunk as the land This of course applies to all coastal countries, so maybe i've gone off-topic.
It's a nice irony that America's Corporate greed may be its undoing. I'm going to buy a house on a high mountain

EDIT: I should add that its the 'Worlds' Corporate greed as much as America's to blame, just as the biggest modern polluting nation they should know better - but then when has mankind been good at looking forward to the consequences of our actions.

	11-05-2002 02:59									#106
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The US will be over when the infamous fat lady sings.

	11-05-2002 03:13									#107
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Sagacious Dolphin,
you'll be happy though, all that beautifull Ocean to play in

	11-05-2002 04:59									#108
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Hey, if California is 100 feet underwater...it's their loss, not ours

	11-05-2002 06:40									#109
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Rome (Western Empire) fell due to division of the Empire, the rise of the bureaucracy, the rise of "feudalism" and the decline of a monetary economy, incessant civil wars, and those pesky "immigrants," the Goths who actually had a military weapon the Romans could not match, heavy cavalry.

For America, I certainly see an increasing bureacracy as a threat sap our strength as once it did Rome. But I do not see the U.S. splitting in two or having the equivalent of a Goth army invade.

The real power of America lies in the fact that we are the leader of the free world. In any real war, the combined power the democracies of the world, united, is overwhelming. I see democracies spreading in the world, not receding. The power of the internet will keep this trend positive for some time to come.

At some time in the future, I see the United States morphing into a united world government where all member states are democracies. We have the EU doing this today. It is not a pipe dream.

Ned

	11-05-2002 07:20									#110
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Well spoken, Ned.

I've not been on the OT much since that new forum section opened :: points in that general direction:: 's been keeping me pretty busy, but this thread caught my eye.

I have no doubts that America as we know it, will one day come to an end.

Will it come to an end because of political shenanigans? Doubtful. Our government is structured in such a way that would be tyrants and kingmakers can't get enough accomplished in two terms to allow that.

Will it end in a military takeover? Don't hold your breath. Even the combined might of the EU couldn't get enough people here to tame this big beast of a nation, and they (our friends) are our nearest viable contender.

Will corruption be our downfall? Maybe...but like all things, that is cyclical.

Disease? That's more disturbing, and in my mind, a greater risk than all the rest combined. But then, that is a global risk....

My hope is exactly as Ned has expressed...that democratic ideals will continue to spread, and one day we can all set nationalism down, and come together globally.

If that is what spells the end of America as we know it today, It will be a fine day indeed.

As to the rest...turn the page....we'll see.



-=Vel=-

	11-05-2002 08:20									#111
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quote: How will it end?

[Kosh mode on] In Fire [Kosh Mode off]

	11-05-2002 08:26									#112
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quote: and one day we can all set nationalism down, and come together globally

we all wish. but i laughat such naive ideas. maybe 1 day the US government will stop stagnating our science as well

quote: ummm. Approx 20-30years before all coastal cities(east and west) will be under 10-15feet of ocean and all the insurance companies are as sunk as the land This of course applies to all coastal countries, so maybe i've gone off-topic.

i'm sure we'll plan for it maybe build neat little dams like in norther european country who's name escapes me. bye bye beaches though.

Also IF science Finally progresses a little more and advances become legal (i do not support cloning but it's a great example) we'll be able to put some colonies oin space. that would rock wouldn't it? I'd vbe the first 1 there. one day when im a Billionairee....

	11-05-2002 09:34									#113
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USA!!!

USA!!!

Go away7 with your shedenfreude!!

	11-05-2002 10:56									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar Obviously, America will fall one day when Novaya Russia, under Grigor II, invades Florida through Cuba.

Bwuhahahahaha. Right into the Everglades.

	11-05-2002 11:13									#115
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yopiu rawk, ned!!!!!