11-05-2002 03:40									#1
	Bush at it again, more protectionism Suffering from ads?

Yep, Bush is now going to sign a new bill that will increase federal spending in the American agricultural sector, including extra funding for companies promoting american food and drink products abroad.

IS Bush really right wing? He's acting as a French socialist.

Of course, the whole world objects, but the Americans ignore criticism (like with the steel thing).

	11-05-2002 04:39									#2
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And while the US protecs its industries, the IMF and World Bank force their Third World "clients" to remove all price subsidies and tarriffs and open their markets to First World competition. The farm subsidies throughout the developed world cost more than US$300 billion a year. People in the First World pay more and people in the Third World can't farm economically.

Welcome the the unipolar world of American hegemony...enjoy!

	11-05-2002 14:07									#3
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Is farm subsidies something that can be argued in WTO?

	11-05-2002 14:14									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Is farm subsidies something that can be argued in WTO?

Yes, we are going to demand the USA.
It is not a joke.


It worked with Chile but the USA....

	11-05-2002 14:16									#5
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Ah well, if the USA can increase farm subsidies so can everybody else, right?

	11-05-2002 14:28									#6
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Something that really annoyed us are the raise in the subsidies to agriculture by the USA, 180.000 millions in 10 years.That will really **** us, Argentina and Brazil are together the most important producers of food in the world, and we dont have subsidies.Argentina even has retentions over the agricultural exportations.

The same goes for Europe, if your farmers are not competitive and you are protectionist in agriculture, why do you ask us to have open markets?


But in my opinion, the USA is not as guilty as the European Union, the subsidies of the USA are a direct response (not vice versa) to the 300.000 millions that the EU spent.



The subsidies in Europe are connected with Politics. And emotional reasons. Even though it's obvious that agriculture in the EU is a waste of resources (Australia, Argentina and even the US do it better and cheaper), europeans are afraid to become "dependent of foreign countries" when it comes to foodstuffs - as if they weren't already. Also, the countryside looks neater and prettier with little sheep and cows playing around.
So the europeans keep on artificially maintaining an agriculture that is little more than a waste of money.

The saddest thing is that probably the EU will react to the increase of the American subsidies by increasing their own subsidies.

Which means they're scrapping the Uruguay Round agreements on agriculture, which called for an end to those subsidies by 2025 if I recollect properly.
Jeesh, if they keep scrapping treaties like this very soon we'll be heading back to the jungle to hunt for each other's heads.

	11-05-2002 15:31									#7
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Time for economic sanctions methinks

	11-05-2002 15:37									#9
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quote: Argentina and Brazil are together the most important producers of food in the world

And Holland. We're one of the world's biggest agricultural products exporters.

quote: Time for economic sanctions methinks

At this rate, soon there won't be anything left to sanction on.



Can someone tell me why people still think Bush is a right winger?

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Who is your '' referring to Stew?

	11-05-2002 15:45									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus And Holland. We're one of the world's biggest agricultural products exporters.

True, you sell lots of tulips

quote: Can someone tell me why people still think Bush is a right winger?

Even under the likes of Reagan protectionism has been abundant. These people do not stick to principles but do their utmost to protect themselves. The thing about the US is that it espouses these economic principles and expects everyone else to adhere to them, yet ignores them itself. To the US, it is a case of 'I'm wearing the strap-on, the rest of the world, bend over!'

	11-05-2002 15:59									#12
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quote: True, you sell lots of tulips

Yep, we're the biggest flower exporter in the world, and export lots of other agriproducts too.

	11-05-2002 16:14									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Kublai-Khan The same goes for Europe, if your farmers are not competitive and you are protectionist in agriculture, why do you ask us to have open markets?

To screw you, of course. Globalization and free markets are all about what's best for imperialism. D'uh!

	11-05-2002 16:23									#14
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quote: The same goes for Europe, if your farmers are not competitive and you are protectionist in agriculture, why do you ask us to have open markets?

Agricultural subsidies will be reformed here before the EU expands. The subsidies offered are likely to become far lower than they are now (if we can persuade france that is).

	11-05-2002 17:18									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus Agricultural subsidies will be reformed here before the EU expands. The subsidies offered are likely to become far lower than they are now (if we can persuade france that is).

You want to PERSUADE a French to do something ??





Good luck...

	11-05-2002 17:43									#16
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We have to sadly

	11-05-2002 21:55									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Akka le Vil You want to PERSUADE a French to do something ?? Good luck...

Why is France so problematic?

Those EVIL french farmers always appear in the TV burning or sacking some truck with imported food or something.

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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus Yep, we're the biggest flower exporter in the world, and export lots of other agriproducts too.

hmmm, i thought it was bulgaria...

	11-05-2002 22:14									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Kublai-Khan Why is France so problematic?

In this chase it's 'cause France in many ways still is a rural country with a large group of people directly or indirectly living of the land. That's unlike most of the other countries in the EU.

	11-05-2002 23:44									#20
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There was a Wall Street Journal editorial on this yesterday.

Apparently Bush is supposed to be gettgin some tradeoffs to support other free trade initiatives in exchange for these actions. But the article said that he may not actually get what he wanted. I think he would be better off sticking ot a hard core free trade policy.

	11-05-2002 23:47									#21
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GP, R U a gay nationalist?

	12-05-2002 01:19									#22
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quote: hmmm, i thought it was bulgaria...

Hell no, it's Holland.

	12-05-2002 02:23									#23
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don't be trolled so easily, Mark

	12-05-2002 03:18									#24
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I just watched a Chris Rock movie. What do you expect?

	12-05-2002 04:27									#25
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quote: Time for economic sanctions methinks

What, opposed to CAP?

	12-05-2002 04:29									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus Yep, we're the biggest flower exporter in the world, and export lots of other agriproducts too.

I always knew you were queer

	12-05-2002 13:27									#27
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Who the feck is Chris Rock and what was that movie about?

	12-05-2002 13:34									#28
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I agree. Daschle should be sucking Bush's cheney over this one. It's the least he could do.

This bill really irks me. It's not in our best interests. The irony is that most of this money will end up in the pockets of the big Euro agrochemical companies.

	12-05-2002 14:04									#29
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I sure am surprised.

Speaking of protectionism, Congress is reauthorizing the Ex-Im Bank right now (at least they were doing so a couple days ago).

	12-05-2002 14:41									#30
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What is the Ex-Im Bank?