11-05-2002 08:10									#31
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INTERVIEW WITH SAM RAIMI

quote: And, as you'll see in the film, some very distinct things were added in light of September 11. "Well, I was devastated by September 11th and I didn't know anybody in the buildings. I was moved like every other American when I watched the real heroes go in there and help those people in the tragedy at the attack site risk their lives and many times lose their lives. So, in the storyboards I had always had in the idea - it wasn't in the script. Some ideas come from myself and the artist - after Spider-Man has been misunderstood by the New Yorkers throughout the course of the whole movie, he does nothing but risk his life for them, I wanted a small group to appreciate him because I thought it would give him back something. I had put in before September 11th a bunch of New Yorkers seeing what Spider-Man was doing risking his life to save these kids and helping him a little. I thought that would be cool. I wanted the audience to go, 'Finally, somebody appreciates this guy. If not the whole city, somebody.' Then there was September 11th and I decided to add and slightly change their dialogue because I really wanted it to be a tip of the hat to those brave rescue workers who risked their lives to be heroes." And one of the most talked about scenes, already, is Spidey sitting on the pole with the American flag. "Yes, I put the American flag in after September 11th, but I've always been a big American and I think I would have had that flag in anyway. It didn't come out of how can I put the flag in? It came out of where is he going to land? How about a building top at the end? Yeah, land at the building top. What'll be there, a spider? Oh, I'll put a flag there, yeah. Yeah, Spidey and the flag, he really is a great American or represents a great American who's not real."

There you have it. Take it as you will.

	11-05-2002 08:47									#32
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What's the big deal a country's flag is just a symbol and as everyone should know symbols only matter to simple minds.

	11-05-2002 09:30									#33
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Markos, if you don't iunderstand what the feeling is from NYC and all the people who had close freinds die, you are smopking weed or you need to...

	11-05-2002 09:32									#34
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Eh, I'm with Markos here. The movie didn't have a patriotic theme, and then they toss the flag in there as if they were proving a point or something...I didn't like it.

It would've been different if the movie was patriotic throughout.

	11-05-2002 09:52									#35
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If you doin't like it, pick another country to coca-colanize you...

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quote: Originally posted by MarkG both good movies with solid stories, acting, direction, "moral messages", etc etc why on earth do you get to see the american flag in the end???

Gee Mark, you're right!
They should fly the FLAG OF MACEDONIA!

LONG LIVE MACEDONIA! SPIDERMAN'S HOME! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

	11-05-2002 11:05									#37
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Go FYROMulans!!!

	11-05-2002 14:08									#38
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I think UberKrux was right (although reported in a slightly coloured way ) - that because so much of the movie (nearly the whole damn thing) had to be redone because of WTC sensitivities, perhaps in the final product it was thought that a slight show of support should be shown. Although the movie hasn't made NZ yet, I would like to see that American flag at the end NOT as anything to do with supprt for the US, UN etc, but for the thousands of citizens from MANY coutnries who died Sept 11 - the only reason it was an American flag was that the event was in NY.

I hope it's not OTT - but I wouldn't have a problem with that.

PS anyone seen the original trailer? - I think it was kinda cool, and a real shame they decided to pull it.

	11-05-2002 15:54									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber Foreign(English or Russian are the most popular)

Btw., I've heard somewhere that in early post war movies the "evil russians" still talked with a somewhat german accent because the german accent was so equivalent to "evil" in many american minds. Does this hold true or is it a myth?

	11-05-2002 16:11									#40
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I honestly didn't even notice. Get a life, Mark. Well, not too muich of one. Wouldn't want you to lose interest in Poly.

	11-05-2002 16:39									#41
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quote: Markos, if you don't iunderstand what the feeling is from NYC and all the people who had close freinds die, you are smopking weed or you need to...

if someone wants to honor those who died in 9/11 then he should do a movie about it.


so i suppose that you would find understandable to see the french flag in the end of the next amelie-like movie as a support to the freedom-loving/le pen hating people of france....

	11-05-2002 16:41									#42
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG so i suppose that you would find understandable to see the french flag in the end of the next amelie-like movie as a support to the freedom-loving/le pen hating people of france.

Do you think we'd have a problem with it?

	11-05-2002 16:54									#43
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quote: Oh, I'll put a flag there, yeah. Yeah, Spidey and the flag, he really is a great American or represents a great American who's not real

i dont need an american flag to be reminded that spiderman is an american. i knew that already before even seeing the movie. but then we're talking about the director who puts his hero to say his tagline 3 (three) times so that we can really really really get the message...


chegitz, dont ask me to speculate and make assumptions on the actions of a large group of people. that would be a generalization and i hate them

	11-05-2002 17:00									#44
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GP, Asher, chegitz, if we start selling US flags on Apolyton will you buy one?


or how about selling t-shirts like this?

	11-05-2002 17:01									#45
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The problem is not about patriotism, the problem is about how Americans always find the most ridiculous way to show it.
The "American flag ending" is becoming such a cliché that it practically became an old tag to designate unproper show of chauvinism here

	11-05-2002 17:09									#46
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well , what Akka de Vil said. almost.

this is so stupid , this US flag everywhere. Haven't seen the movie though , I can't judge, in this particular case , since it could be made in a good style

	11-05-2002 17:09									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Akka le Vil The problem is not about patriotism, the problem is about how Americans always find the most ridiculous way to show it.

Amen

it's probably part of the effort to get the message to even the most dumb: "ok, so this was the story of an american superhero living in america and created by americans. but if you really hadnt thought about it until now, here's a flag"

	11-05-2002 17:13									#48
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG Amen it's probably part of the effort to get the message to even the most dumb: "ok, so this was the story of an american superhero living in america and created by americans. but if you really hadnt thought about it until now, here's a flag"

	11-05-2002 17:16									#49
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looking around the web, i found the following

quote: Posted by mrsjiggy at ip-111-114-84.stockton.navipath.net on September 16, 2001 at 11:45:48: I was wondering if there is any kind of online petition or anything for Sony to try to encourage them to NOT remove the WTC towers from the movie??? If so, could someone please let me know? As my husband said this morning, "it would be nice to 'know' that the towers are still standing in an alternate universe." the towers may have fallen here, in reality, but that does not mean they have to cease to exist in the alternate universes of comics and movies. After all, they will be rebuilt! America will recover! And we will show the world that they may try again and again, but our spirit will not be broken. In the words of Lee Greenwood, "'Cause the flag still stands for freedom and they can't take that away!"

now that would be a smart way to give a message in honor of those who died, but perhaps i'm asking too much

	11-05-2002 17:37									#50
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Well put. Who says we want the WTC removed because we're too "sensitive"?

As for the movie ending, thats pretty tame compared to how Sept. 11 has been mass-marketed. They have trading cards out now. Collect the whole set.

Dave

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	11-05-2002 17:47									#52
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I find the mass marketting of 9/11 stuff disgusting.

	11-05-2002 18:28									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Peacemaker What's the big deal a country's flag is just a symbol and as everyone should know symbols only matter to simple minds.

Then I take it you don't watch films, or at least GOOD films, because the things that make good films good is symbolism.

	11-05-2002 19:31									#54
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They can remove the flag at the end of the movie Mark, when you remove the avatar that you use. Quite frankly it is offensive to all of us that know that Greece had very little to do with Macedonia. When you stop your displays of simple attachments we may stop ours.

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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous Then I take it you don't watch films, or at least GOOD films, because the things that make good films good is symbolism.

Sure I watch films but I never come away from one felling enlightened in any way. After all its just a movie.

	11-05-2002 20:29									#56
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Spray, Macedonia has to do with Greece the same as Spiderman has to do with the US

	11-05-2002 20:32									#57
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Spray, Macedonia has to do with Greece the same as Spiderman has to do with the US

Tell me Paktis what city was spiderman based in?

	11-05-2002 20:34									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber Tell me Paktis what city was spiderman based in?

Hey I haven't seen the movie (although I'm going to)

But when I was little reading the comic books I thought it was just a city like mine, it could have been Athens for example for all I knew

	11-05-2002 20:37									#59
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I think what some people may find irritating is that some things are considered theirs (like Spiderman for example) so to "enforce" a national symbol to their throats kind of puts them off (the feeling is - hey if you want him to be exclusively yours then fine)

OTOH I understand the need to kind of "psych up" the american public.


IMo the best solution would be since there are 2 markets for these things 1 US 2 EU to keep patriotic themes inside a movie to the first market only.
This way people would go see the movie without being put off by the display of what americans naturaly like.

It is just an idea. Then again this "debate" has been going on for some years now

	11-05-2002 20:39									#60
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Mark, you don't know SQUAT about Spidey.

His creators, Stan Lee and Steve Ditko were Americans, and Spidey did TONS of flag waving through his 40 year run.

Stop obbcessing on the USA, it really looks insane. (except to some people who also suffer from this)