13-05-2002 20:04									#121
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Tons of Hollywood movies go overboard on flag-waving. It bugs me sometimes, but in this particular case, though I haven't seen the movie yet, it makes a modicum of sense. Set in New York, released post-9/11... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that putting in a shot of Spidey w/flag will sell in the US. And the movie was made to sell in the US. If that hurts sales in Greece (which it apparently didn't, at least in your case), it was probably still worth it. Americans like their flag, Mark. And most of 'em couldn't care less what you think of it.

-Arrian

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	13-05-2002 20:29									#122
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quote: Americans like their flag, Mark

greek like their flag too. you wont see it in the end of greek movies though, nor will you see many "our country is great" greek movies

quote: most of 'em couldn't care less what you think of it.

is that supposed to be an argument that could change my opinion?

	13-05-2002 20:43									#123
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It couldn't possibly be as annoying as The Patriot. I mean, how many US kids are going to grow up thinking that that sh!t really happened?

(Especially that scene where the British try and free Gibson's slaves only for them to turn around and say they are all free men and then fight to uphold the American dream... )

	14-05-2002 02:12									#124
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Yeah, the Patriot was awful. Total crap - with the possible exception of the one scene where Gibson's character has to come clean about slaughtering a bunch of Frenchmen. I don't recall the slave freeing scene (didn't watch the whole thing, couldn't), but I'll take your word for it.

quote: is that supposed to be an argument that could change my opinion?

Nope, it wasn't. It was a simple statement of fact, relating to the most likely purpose behind adding the flag scene - to sell the movie to Americans. And, in the immortal words of Forrest Gump, that's all I have to say about that.

-Arrian

	14-05-2002 06:58									#125
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I went into Spider-Man bracing myself for the ending scene, but when it finally came around I was extremely underwhelmed. That flag was hardly overwhelming. I was expecting it to be Patton-esque, with spidy crouching and a huge flag waving behind him. Basically you guys are mad that spidey happened to be on a roof with a flag on it...

	14-05-2002 07:15									#126
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG quote: Anyone remember one of the Superman movies where superman flys through the air with an american flag? but that was 25 years ago!! and i dont think the spiderman stories ever had anything to do with patriotism...

When American patriotism was at an all-time LOW.

	14-05-2002 08:48									#127
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Actually that's whats so funny. I don't even remember the flag! Mark is just being a little weener.

	14-05-2002 14:10									#128
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Saw the movie yesterday. I definitely didn't want to, but my friends did, so I followed.

Well, this is one hell of a crap movie! The guy is a total ****er! The girl throws herself into his arms, saying "I don't love spiderman - I love Peter Parker" and the guys just stands there and says (to himself) "sorry, no can do, the way of the hero, responsibilities come with power, blah, blah..."

Hello?! What kind of lame excuse is that? How did Superman manage then? How could he have both his powers and the girl?

The way they made his best friend hate spiderman to make an excuse for a sequel is pretty lame too. Couldn't spiderman tell him sth like "It's the Green Goblin who killed your father, it happened like this:....." and devise some excuse?

Other lame spot, the moment the GG faces the wrath of the New Yorkers. Come on!

Plus the movie had all those sllllloooowwww dialogs which didn't fit well with the extremely fast action. Plus it lost all the humour it had at the beginning.

C R A P ola, I say!

	14-05-2002 17:26									#129
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quote: Originally posted by axi C R A P ola, I say!

But it still got your money.

	14-05-2002 17:28									#130
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh It couldn't possibly be as annoying as The Patriot. I mean, how many US kids are going to grow up thinking that that sh!t really happened? (Especially that scene where the British try and free Gibson's slaves only for them to turn around and say they are all free men and then fight to uphold the American dream... )

You know Rogan that free blacks did serve in the that war along with the War of 1812 and the Civil War. So roll your eyes a little harder

	14-05-2002 17:32									#131
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i found a web site with greeks that fought on the side of the confederacy in the american civil war - pretty funny/interesting
but i lost it now

	14-05-2002 17:43									#132
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not sure about it, but it also(?) went the other way paiktis

quote: In a time that media didn't exist, simple persons could discern right from wrong. While European States supported Ottoman Empire under the status of Holly Alliance, simple European and American people as well as intelectuals (American Samuel Howe, British Lord Byron, Gaite, Victor Ugho, etc) supported the fight of hellenic people for liberation. 300 phillelenes (142 Germans, 42 Italians, 11 Swiss, 60 French, 3 Americans, 21 British, 11 Polish, 10 Scandinavians, 17 Dutch etc) are estimated to have been killed

http://members.fortunecity.com/fsta...1/pictures.html

	14-05-2002 18:47									#133
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber You know Rogan that free blacks did serve in the that war along with the War of 1812 and the Civil War. So roll your eyes a little harder

Is that hard enough?

	14-05-2002 19:22									#134
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MarkG, yeah but there were also greeks on the other side of the american civil war. maybe they are a bit better documented.

	14-05-2002 19:25									#135
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Yeah, I heard there were Greeks on Yamamoto's staff when Pearl Harbor happened.

	14-05-2002 19:26									#136
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why does this surprise you?

	14-05-2002 19:32									#137
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BTW by greeks I meant greek-americans

I thought you knew that?

	14-05-2002 19:36									#138
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hmm, well I'm not sure

they stated Greece as their country of birth anyway.

here it is:

http://www.helleniccomserve.com/confederatearmy.html

	14-05-2002 19:37									#139
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It identifies the officers of "Greek Company A, Louisiana Militia, Capt. Nicolas Touloubief, 1 Lt. Alex. Laxaredo, 2 Lt. D. Gregori, 2 Lt. N Bragoreff, and 2 Lt. Constantino Coratosos." In addition, there is a military order issued from the Adjutant General's Office, New Orleans, dated June 5, 1861, which reads:

Order No. 478


Col. J. T. Winnemore will issue to Capt. Nicolas Touloubief of the Greek Company A of one captain, three lieutenants, eight noncommissioned officers and seventy privates . . .(illegible) . . and subsistence stores . . .(illegible). . ."

	14-05-2002 20:33									#140
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quote: Originally posted by axi The guy is a total ****er! The girl throws herself into his arms, saying "I don't love spiderman - I love Peter Parker" and the guys just stands there and says (to himself) "sorry, no can do, the way of the hero, responsibilities come with power, blah, blah..."

He had just gotten through saving her from a situation his love for her had put her in. Plus if you think about it from the point of view of the comics it makes sense,

quote: How did Superman manage then? How could he have both his powers and the girl?

Spiderman isn't Superman, you know.

quote: The way they made his best friend hate spiderman to make an excuse for a sequel is pretty lame too.

Would you rather this origin: Devasted by his father's death Harry Osborn stripped the Green Goblin costume off his father's "corpse" and began his new carrer as the Green Goblin! Consumed with madness Harry trained for weeks so he could become as great a goblin as Norman. Then Harry's life took a turn. He had discovered a Spider-Man mask in the dresser of his roomate(and best friend) Peter Parker!

	06-06-2002 13:50									#141
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Well it opened here less than 24 hours ago and I finally got to see it. The flag ending wasn't that bad (speaking as a non-American), very brief and doesn't that building have a flag on it anyway?

What got me was the NYers all pitching in to throw stuff at Goblin. "You mess with one of us, you mess with all of us."


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

THAT was one of those patriotic mindless moments.

Our moviegoing crowd was great - during all of the silly "When you stare into her eyes you feel..." stuff the crowd was laughing their heads off!

Comedy GOLD.

	06-06-2002 18:15									#142
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I have the feeling that Mark's observation was not the American flag on the end of the particular movie but rather the fact that the 90% of the American movies that are played in Europe have in the one or the other way persistent elements of promotion of the American way of living. This is not necessarily bad but surely tiresome to the non-American audience.

Besides I haven't seen any insults or malicious intentions on Mark's comments so far. In the contrary many of you have thrown nothing but insults and mocking comments showing nothing more than an idiotic and rediculous attitude and disrespect to a fellowman.

You are full of s-h-i-t

	06-06-2002 20:18									#143
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quote: Originally posted by Keygen I have the feeling that Mark's observation was not the American flag on the end of the particular movie but rather the fact that the 90% of the American movies that are played in Europe have in the one or the other way persistent elements of promotion of the American way of living. This is not necessarily bad but surely tiresome to the non-American audience. You are full of s-h-i-t

If its tiresome dont watch them. Simple eh!

	06-06-2002 20:28									#144
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber You know Rogan that free blacks did serve in the that war along with the War of 1812 and the Civil War. So roll your eyes a little harder

While true, freed slaves generally helped the side that freed them. Turning around and fighting for the Americans after the Brits freed you would be foolish, since the Americans will only re-enslave you. But if they'd portratyed the way slaves actually were, the movie would have been called racist for implying that Blacks were traitors.

	06-06-2002 20:35									#145
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH If its tiresome dont watch them. Simple eh!

I don't and I certainly didn't ask your opinion, did I?

	06-06-2002 21:32									#146
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Well you must have watched some of them, or else your commenting in a public forum on a topic you know nothing about.

	06-06-2002 23:38									#147
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I guess I must have once

Sorry but I am not a fun of your recent cataclysm of patriotic excess and bionic chicks that beat the hell out of men

	07-06-2002 02:34									#148
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quote: What got me was the NYers all pitching in to throw stuff at Goblin. "You mess with one of us, you mess with all of us." NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! THAT was one of those patriotic mindless moments.

Noticed that too, and had a similar reaction (I cringed). That was pretty blatant.

-Arrian

	07-06-2002 04:19									#149
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4/10

	07-06-2002 05:07									#150
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quote: Originally posted by DaShi 4/10

Huh? What's the point of that? Who's it for?