14-05-2002 19:07									#31
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quote: Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior I'm agree... It's clear that french built it for puritan americans... If we built it for personnal pleasure, the statue wouldn't wear those uninteresting clothes !

Yes with a shield and a torch over the harbor. The plans are to make it 20 stories high or so. It should look better then the SoL.

	14-05-2002 19:19									#32
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I mean that the statue of liberty without any clothes would have look better !

	14-05-2002 19:21									#33
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Will the Greeks still get +1 trade on each tile? Or does the invention of Flight still make it obsolete?

	14-05-2002 19:27									#34
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only one "L" in colossus...ONE!

I think it sounds pretty cool, though I'm sure another earthquake will take colossus jr. down as well

	14-05-2002 19:28									#35
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no it will be made seismic resistant

	14-05-2002 19:37									#36
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According to the show I saw (discovery channel, 7 wonders of the ancient world - same as you right?), the Colossus came down in an earthquake and lay where it fell for a long time, and was still quite impressive. When the Turks showed up, they removed the shattered remants and melted it down to reuse the bronze. Bastards.

There apparently was an oracle that said rebuilding the Colossus would result in the destruction of Rhodes.

-Arrian

	14-05-2002 19:40									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian According to the show I saw (discovery channel, 7 wonders of the ancient world - same as you right?), the Colossus came down in an earthquake and lay where it fell for a long time, and was still quite impressive. When the Turks showed up, they removed the shattered remants and melted it down to reuse the bronze. Bastards.

Yup.

quote: There apparently was an oracle that said rebuilding the Colossus would result in the destruction of Rhodes.

Well, lets see if the Oracle was correct

besides, I'm sure the Greeks won't miss it

	14-05-2002 19:41									#38
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It is the first time I hear about that oracle.
some weirdo no doubt...

well just to prove him wrong alone, WE SHOULD BUILD IT!

	14-05-2002 19:44									#39
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we have a long history of challenging the Gods

We can refute Hybris and laught at the face of Nemesis

	14-05-2002 19:47									#40
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Arrian's right. The Colossus was downed after standing only one hundred years. It fell smack dab into the bay, but divers somehow managed to raise it, piece by piece, and they brought it up onto shore and built a temple to Helios (the sun god that the Colossus portrayed) around it. The Turks arrived in, I think the 700s, and, as usual, set to destroy every bit of culture they could find. The Colossus was sent off as scrap.

It's odd that, as the Turks or a Muslim bunch seem to have destroyed or attempted to destroy several of the wonders at one point or another. The Pharos was a lucky one. It was just turned into a mosque. The Statue of Zeus was vandalized, the temple burned down. The tomb of Halicarnisuss was also destroyed by Turks. The stinkers even took a shot at the Great Pyramids, ripping off the limestone casing of the greatest of the three. Even more recently, our old buds the smelly old Taliban came up with a plan...failed of course...the blow the things up! Those poor wonders!

	14-05-2002 19:49									#41
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I think it would be a cool idea, particularly if they transplant Copernicus' Observatory and Isaac Newton's College brick by brick to turn Rhodes into a real life Super Science City!
Do they have any gold or whales nearby?

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	14-05-2002 20:04									#44
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Destroying cultural artifacts is not exacly a turkish speciality. I'd say it's an almost universal behavior by conquerors. For the colossus it at least seems to make perfect sense, all that bronze just lying there to no use at all (from a turkish perspective at least).

	14-05-2002 20:07									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin Destroying cultural artifacts is not exacly a turkish speciality. I'd say it's an almost universal behavior by conquerors. For the colossus it at least seems to make perfect sense, all that bronze just lying there to no use at all (from a turkish perspective at least).

oph you're so wrong viking barbarian.

Alexander the Great DID NOT destroy temples and cultural artifacts of the people conquered. He was actually the ONLY ONE not to do so because that's what Greek Culture dictates.
get your facts straight

	14-05-2002 20:09									#46
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Hell no, Alexander didn't have time to stop for a second and destroy anything. He ran around all his life and died doing it remember.

Or ask Alexanders Horse

	14-05-2002 20:11									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin Hell no, Alexander didn't have time to stop for a second and destroy anything. He ran around all his life and died doing it remember.

what a pathetic argument.

Do you honestly believe that his army did not have time to plunder and destroy everything on his path while he conquered?

how much time do you think it takes to set things on fire and destroy?

you are just funny

	14-05-2002 20:13									#48
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Nice for you to have found a role model for cultural elitism

	14-05-2002 20:14									#49
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note: the alexander comment was not serious!

	14-05-2002 20:16									#50
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cultural elitism whatever.
facts speak for themselves.
elitism from the birthplace of democracy, of DEMOS, of the people? get real.

you're getting funnier and funnier.

	14-05-2002 20:19									#51
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Touchy today, aren't you Paiktis?

-Arrian

	14-05-2002 20:20									#52
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yes.

	14-05-2002 20:21									#53
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Oh no, no form of elitism have ever existed in Greece, the junta of '67 was of cource a bunch of peace and democracy loving pinkos.

The same goes for Plato or Aristoteles

	14-05-2002 20:23									#54
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Plato and Aristotle advocated the betterment of man, nothing to do with elitism.

not that I expect a barbarian to understand

	14-05-2002 20:24									#55
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about junta a black page yes.

not even close with your country kissy kissy with hitler though.

	14-05-2002 20:25									#56
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I guess that barbarian applies to you to considering I don't think you speak ancient greece as mixed up slavo-turkish breed you are

	14-05-2002 20:27									#57
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yeah, yeah

slavs never conquered Greece, greek - turkish marriages were considered a sin

just keep feeding yourself your western made propaganda of anti-greeks to make you feel better than you're nothing more than a little w@nker people who never ammounted to anything.

	14-05-2002 20:27									#58
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Hmm... hittin' the Uzzo (sp?) are we? Or just feeling belligerent?

Keep in mind that while Greece did come up with democracy, those early "democracies" were limited to what, 10% of the population?

-Arrian

	14-05-2002 20:28									#59
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yes Arian wow
and when do yout think "the modern world" abolished slavery and got women to vote?


19 CENTURIES later

big deal

	14-05-2002 20:32									#60
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any way i'm outta here for while

keep your bashing coming i'll be around later