15-06-2002 03:57									#91
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Britain understands the protests coming from the french and germans who are rightly jelous of our power and in a sign of friendship we have unblocked the english channel, although only one ship space has been left for each nations wishing to use it. However Britain is sticking by its blockade of gibraltor, because it sees that any more warships in the region would distabalise it and potentially lead to an outbreak of hostilities. Also Britain has now blockaded the Suez canal, and has this right because of the monopoly we hold on the stocks and shares of the canal.

On other news trade ships are heading towards the US from all directions, the US is now officially Britains Favourite Trading partner.

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	15-06-2002 05:06									#92
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Quote:The modern canal was planned by the French engineer Ferdinand de Lesseps,
who also supervised construction (1859-69). Great Britain, which had opposed the
construction of the canal, became the largest shareholder in 1875 by purchasing
the interest of the Egyptian khedive. The Convention of Constantinople signed in
1888 by all major European powers of the time declared the canal neutral and
guaranteed free passage to all in time of peace and war. Great Britain was the
guarantor of the neutrality of the canal; management was placed in the hands of the
Suez Canal Company. :EndQuote

Sorry Gary, but the Suez is French territory, and, especially with the instability in Egypt, must be taken care of by the French. Any intrusion there will be seen as a direct threat on Frances autonomy and self-rule. However, purchasing of stocks would be apriciated, especially since you don't own the majority, or probably none at all since you didn't like me building the thing in the first place!

	15-06-2002 08:09									#93
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This sounds like a European problem to me....Therefore I declare like American administrations since the beginning of time, I will ignore the issue until it boils up into something I can't ignore any longer. That is unless someone wants me to mediate the dispute and give me a Nobel Prize even though they have yet to be invented

	15-06-2002 11:50									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Grothgar However Britain is sticking by its blockade of gibraltor, because it sees that any more warships in the region would distabalise it and potentially lead to an outbreak of hostilities.

There are no warships on their way to pass through that channel, however german commercial shipping shall suffer imensly should this blockade not be lifted.

Also the brittish suposed owning of most of the shares of the suez channel is pure lies, we demand the brittish blockade there to be lifted as well.

Do we have to remind brittain that trade blockades is something used during wars or to provoce wars?

Blocking off mercantile shiping will not gain you anything but enemies.

	16-06-2002 05:57									#96
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quote: Originally posted by JamesJKirk Yo Japan, heads up from the ol' USA, before you get all steamy, there'll be a unit or so of freight heading your way in a few turns, and probably more to come. So if you don't want my ships and their freight units around, then I'm sure I can find other people who would like them just fine

Japan never said that we didn't want American ships and goods (not since 1854 anyway ) As your partner and friend on the other side of the Pacific, we warmly welcome your offer of trade to strengthen our mutual economies.

All we ask is that foreign ships entering our waters announce their intentions and cargo beforehand. As one of the weaker powers we are very conscious of our vulnerability and must be extremely careful. We hope that all of the more developed nations understand our position.

	16-06-2002 06:05									#97
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Also we join the French and Germans in condemning the British blockade of the straights of Gibraltar and the Suez canal. Japanese merchant shipping must also pass through these two channels in order to reach the best markets; our economy will be severely harmed should our goods be unable to reach European ports.

	16-06-2002 22:42									#98
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after the Brits, would that be my turn?

And yeah, was I pissed at the poms blocking the freaking channel

	16-06-2002 22:43									#99
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dang, I was attempting to block the suez one myself, ah well

	17-06-2002 12:02									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion after the Brits, would that be my turn?

Yep.

	17-06-2002 23:44									#101
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someone else downloaded the savegame. booh!

	18-06-2002 00:02									#102
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I'll post the list with email addresses so that this can be helpful to everyone and all can be happy and know when it's their turn. If you don't see your email address on the list, post it and it will magically appear shortly thereafter.

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	18-06-2002 00:02									#103
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US of A, I want to send some guys through your country, merchants. I hope that goes alright

Brits, I hope it's possible for me to cross the street between Aden and Ethiopia.

France, you have to pay if you want to cross the Suez canal.

Orientals are barbs? Good.

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	18-06-2002 00:03									#104
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Question: Why is it I was not the one to open the game but had a savegame given by Grothgar?

	18-06-2002 00:07									#105
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Tell me the destinations of your units, and whether I can expect them to come from the Pacific or Atlantic and I'll see how that sounds. I'd prefer that trade units be sent primarily to coastal and near-coastal cities, so as not to clog my Trans-Continental Railroad, which gets much internal traffic. I'm sure you can empathize, Ecthelion, as you'd encounter the same problems if I dropped a freight off near Vladivostok and started moving it towards Moscow, disrupting your rail traffic all the way.

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I was about to unload it in Cali and have it railed to your East coast.

Russia has a cunning plan to share with the United States: let's have an greement on when to have the right to use the other's transcontinental railway. Either that or a second trace just for the guest.

Only Russia/US included, no damn Imperialistic Yurop guys.

	18-06-2002 00:19									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Question: Why is it I was not the one to open the game but had a savegame given by Grothgar?

Could you rephrase this? I don't understand what you're asking.

Memorandum from US Department of State

Great Nations of the World,

The United States forbid warships from entering their territorial waters (two squares out from US territory). If you intend to make trade with the United States, send your freights in unarmed transport ships or don't send them at all. None of this is meant to be threatening, and I understand the desire to want to protect your shipping, so if you use naval escorts, please leave them an acceptable distance from the US shores.

Thank you,

Sec'y of State Joe Josephson

	18-06-2002 00:24									#108
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Russia has the first spot. Shouldn't thus Russia begin the game? However I am certain I had a savegame sent, by Grothgar. So he made the first turn before I did. Did the Brits start the scenario then?

	18-06-2002 00:35									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion I was about to unload it in Cali and have it railed to your East coast. Russia has a cunning plan to share with the United States: let's have an greement on when to have the right to use the other's transcontinental railway. Either that or a second trace just for the guest. Only Russia/US included, no damn Imperialistic Yurop guys.

State Dept Communication to St. Petersburg.
The United States respectfully decline your offer, as it does not serve our capabilities or interests right now. Our labor force is limited and engaged in too many other projects right now to fully develop a second transcontinental rail for foreign use. Many in the Congress also voice extreme reservations about allowing a foreign power to have unrestricted access to American territory. The United States value their relationship with Russia, and want to continue mutually beneficial trade, therefore, for the occaision of the goods arriving soon, the administration and Congress have agreed to allow Russian freighters to journey to their destination by way of the countryside, so as not to disrupt the massive flow of East-West domestic traffic in the US along the Trans-Continental Railway. In the future, I think both of us would find it easier and more beneficial to send freights bound for the Pacific Coast from our Pacific ports and freights bound for our Atlantic (or in your case Baltic and Black Sea) ports from their respective sides. This would be quicker and easier for both of us, and not cause unneeded congestion on our internal railways.

Respectfully,
Sec'y of State Joe Josephson

	18-06-2002 00:41									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Russia has the first spot. Shouldn't thus Russia begin the game? However I am certain I had a savegame sent, by Grothgar. So he made the first turn before I did. Did the Brits start the scenario then?

We've already played through two turns of the scenario, Russia started the game, and each turn finishes with Britain. After Britain goes, the date changes and it's Russia's turn again, and the process continues.

	18-06-2002 01:10									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion US of A, I want to send some guys through your country, merchants. I hope that goes alright Brits, I hope it's possible for me to cross the street between Aden and Ethiopia. France, you have to pay if you want to cross the Suez canal. Orientals are barbs? Good.

To Russia (with love),

This is completely unacceptable. Suez is French built, and French owned. Occupation and exhortion will be seen as a declaration of war, so I demand retraction, and, should my ships be hindered, reparation due to lost time. If Russia would like to pass the Suez, she will now have to pay 100g per ship unless the necissary ass-kissing is given. Otherwise, prepare for war.

To Everyone else:

The Suez will currently be open to all passers, just don't block it. If your ships turn ends there, keep them one square back. Blockade of the cannal will not be tolerated. If 'acquasitions' of the canal continue, a charge will have to be put in place of at least 25g/ship. Thank you for your co-operation.

Jaque D'Montreal, General Chief of Suez Canal Project

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LOL

	18-06-2002 02:07									#113
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Well, Russia certainly gets the feeling she is not being taken seriously

	18-06-2002 02:15									#114
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Russia will never be taken seriously by the British establishment, they just do not have the economic,military or administrative power to make any impact on the world stage at the moment. Also to block the Suex canal is unthinkable! Britain was going to do that

Also to diffuse the boiling arguments from the French and German governments about blockading of certain areas the British goverment is going to allow a gap of one unit so the other powers can get into the med. This is only to stop the russians from having their wicked way.

Britain wishes it to be known that anyone blockading the Suez Canal can look forward to being at War with the British Empire. Also britain is looking into the prices of shares and hopes to buy some suez shares when it floats on the stock market.

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Ecthelion,

Hey, just the setting the atmosphere of the game. The French ministry is just trying to make it clear that their authority will not be undermined. So I'm taking you REALLY seriously. lol

Oh, and I hope Britain will agree to keep the Aden-Ethiopian straight open, since it does have French and British cities strattling it.

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hehe... France is actually trying to get money from me to pass the Suez straight...

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... while it's actually Russia that blocks it. If France wants to go to war, fine. But let's hear from the internaitonale community first. Does this mean a casus belli for France? I don't think so.

The war would therefore be unjustified. Only 15 years after the criema war, the fronts would be reversed. All against France. Germany will kick your arse again while I expand in the orient. Do you really want that?

	18-06-2002 02:22									#117
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Britain's presence in the Suez will be welcome if she acts only as a safe guard and allows shipping through being as it is French territory. Offers for purchase of cannal shares may be considered...

To Russia, France does have a causus belli. The Suez, is French territory at this point in history. See the post above. Intentional seazure is definatly an act of war! Therefore France is not only allowed, but obligated to respond in force.

	18-06-2002 12:04									#118
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Britain hereby offers her support for any campaign against the Russians for their hostile actions in blockading the Suez Canal. This act just doesnt threaten european trade it threatens world trade, and with Britain being a world power the Suez Canal must remain unblocked. (I was only going to block it because i thought at this point britain owned most of the shares, now that this was proved wrong i see i have no right to blockade it.)

Britain would remind Russia that the Suez Canal is actually French territory, as they have ben told on numerous occasions. If the canal is not unblocked within the next turn Britain will have no option but to declare Total War on the barbaric russian empire. And if you think that you can play a propoganda game with us about Britain blockading the channel and the straights of gibraltor... well you could but at least Britain has some justification for that, it being our territory and all.

And as for russia trying to stir up bad feelings between france and Germany, well i dont think thats going to happen Britain hereby officially recognizes the French Cassus Belli against the Russian Empire. Repent Dear Sir or face the most powerful nation on the planet.

	18-06-2002 20:26									#119
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*resounding laughter*

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Fine, I'll unblock the thing, but just for now. After conquering Central Asia and the Orient as well as Colonizing Siberia in a consistent enough manner, we'll bury you, since history is on our side.

As for diplomatic moves within the next year, we will not make any decisions concerning France or the Limeys until Germany stating her position.

The United States of America are reminded of how evil the Poms were to them earlier this century.