22-06-2002 01:45									#151
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sorry Gary, I accidently took the frigat along on the trip to Europe and realized I didn't need him. I was going to send him back but your ship was in the way and I forgot to ask you about that. So I left him there and completely forgot about it! don't worry, he should already be out of the way come your turn.

	22-06-2002 11:10									#152
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Civil War Again Engulfs Mexico
Reactionary Army officers and land owners have staged a coup in Mexico. They immediately suspended the constitution, and arrested President Benito Juarez, who later managed to escape to the US. This is the latest chapter in the longstanding, violent tug of war between Mexico's liberals and conservatives. Once again, a foreign element is suspected in aiding the conservatives now in control. The US suspect Spanish involvment in funding and organizing the coup. US-Spanish relations have been tense since Spain refused to honor US loans to it. A steam frigate near the Floridian coast flying the Spanish flag hasn't helped matters. Reports from Portugal this month suggested that a freight of uniforms destined for Spanish rebels are to arrive in Madrid soon, and that rifles for them may be on the way. Southerners in Congress are pushing for war, with Spain, or Mexico, or whomever. Many Northerners are also seen as supportive of a possible war should a cassus belli arrive, as they seek to heal the wounds of the War Between the States.

In Other News....
Freighters will soon be reaching their destinations in Europe and the Far East, this will inaugurated a new era of international cooperation, and the surpluses will give the US to diversify it's taxation priorities.

OOC: Grothgar has been sent his turn.

	22-06-2002 14:55									#153
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RUSSIA VIOLATES BRITISH WATERS!!!
Plus, doesnt pay toll

Britain warned the Russian empire that if any russian ships crossed the channel then there would be a toll of 300 gold for each ship and that if this warning was ignored then britain would declare a trade embargo and would stop russian trade around the world. But once again russia seems to ignore all territorial boundries in their insane lust for world hegemony.

So this month when patrolling off the irish coast a british ship of the line spotted a russian steamer making its merry way to america. Using the logic that this russian ship couldnt have made it out there without crossing the english channel, and due to the fact that the straits of gibralter were still blockaded at the time the ship of the line caught up with the russian ship and asked to board it.

The russians were very contemptuous and didnt allow the british contigent to board their vessel so the british steam ship retreated to minimum gun range and shelled the steamer until it went under. And as the british empire said we will stop all trade and all attempts to enforce trade.

Also after this, and the decleration of war on russia by britain a russian ship was spotted coming down the suez canal and was sunk with complete loss of life on board. Also what is assumed to be 2 units of freight was also sunk.

In a daring move two british ships of the line crossed the german controlled sund and entered the baltic sea. Here they found an ironclad which was blocking the sea and, surprising it, they sunk it without difficulty.

Britain always has been, and always is, serious about the remarks it makes, and due to the russian attitude of ignoring almost everyone they decided to teach the russians a lesson. From this moment on a state of war will last between russia and the empire of great britain.

In other news the trade units from across the empire are nearing their goals and the british government asks the US governement for permission to station 3 warships in american waters for the duration it takes them to unload their cargo.

Oh and the straits of Malacca and Gibralter are now navigable for anyone.

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	22-06-2002 14:57									#154
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And the map, seeing as i forgot to include frances african possesions.

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	22-06-2002 15:06									#155
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This is nonsensical. Russia never had a chance to move out of British sea zones after the warning.

	22-06-2002 15:54									#156
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I hope all of you did read the czar's speech?

This is mere newbie bashing. Britain even ignored Russia's attempts to keep up peace between the powers. This war was not wanted by the Czar, and the way Britain ignored any attempts to prevent it speaks for itself.

Now Russia hopes that the other powers' ties to Christian values are stronger, and that neither of them would act in such a childish way on such a geopolitical level.

We seek to find a peaceful solution to this, as proposed by the United States earlier on.

	22-06-2002 18:07									#157
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Its not newbie bashing my friend. I did after all warn you that any russian ships going through the english channel would be subject to a 300 gold surcharge. You flatly denied to pay this despite my warnings, and when i make warnings im not kidding.

And it wasnt the fact that you didnt have a chance to move out of britains sea zones it was the fact that you used the channel, without paying, to get to where you were. So after ive destroyed your navy ill be satisfied

If you had just payed the toll then this wouldnt have happened. Oh and by the way i read the czars speech. Very inspired and good work but you still didnt pay the toll. I may be devious most of the time but when i make things plain i expect people to take heed.

Afetr all this is what happened in real life, britain was by far the most powerful nation on the planet and when nations didnt want a war with britain, which very few did at the time, they listened to what britain says. SO im just recreating history, up to a point

	22-06-2002 18:50									#158
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300 gold is an obscene amount, you know that.

And after all you didn't make others pay, just me because I had that faux-pas aved le Suez thing.

But don't worry. Today, lots of young Russian men had to die. Tomorrow, we'll turn the page.

No. The day after tomorrow. Because tomorrow (April) is the Orthodox Easter celebration. We will have our weapons rest and mourn our dead.

	22-06-2002 20:11									#159
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Hey! I only just noticed... I'm a Prince

	22-06-2002 20:46									#160
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Yes i know that 300 gold is rather obscene for just trespassing in british waters, but hey it was either that or war, and seeing as the war has already costed about 3 freight units for you which would probably have netted you a few thousand gold in trade so it wasnt that bad was it.

And as for not making the other nations pay, the channel is frances national water as well so they have equal right to it, and seeing as france and germany are allies i wouldnt want to upset one of them

	22-06-2002 20:50									#161
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allies?

*nuclear weapons programm spending doubled*

	23-06-2002 03:49									#162
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Let me try to calm some waters here.

Ecthelion,

First rule for jumping in a PBEM is to find out where everyone else is first before doing stuff. I was laughing to myself when you were mentioning Germany attacking me. I learned that lesson early in my PBEMing.

Gary,

I'm not sure your attack was completely justified. You did say that a toll had to be paid for crossing the English channel, BUT you never specified the amount untill AFTER Ecthelion's turn. Since we were talking so much and the game didn't progress very far, it seemed like he did violate your 300gold/ship toll, but that amount was never in place when he DID go through. I think you two should, like gentlemen, sit down and talk over what is a fair way to settle this.

Just my two pence.

	23-06-2002 14:19									#163
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Well here is how i see it. Russia didnt actually use the channel before the toll was introduced because we are all playing the same month, it was just russias unfortunate circumstances which meant he goes first.

Also he quite specifically said he would not pay any toll, no matter what the amount. So he would have continued to shove his units through the english channel without any toll being payed. So i just cut off the supply before he could defy me again. I did say i was serious

Oh and JMarks this sitting down and talking like two gentlemen gig, it wouldnt be because your scared of britain getting too powerful

	24-06-2002 02:18									#164
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Gary,

Well, though technicly its in the same month, he still moved BEFORE you gave the demand. He couldn't go back and move his pieces around, and he didn't have to pay for those ships since they were already moved. Therefore, do to this technicality, I must side with Russia on the arguement. If you had warned him before he moved, then you would be in the right. However, the arguements about not paying are moot since he had already moved through. I don't think those demands should be retro-active game play wise.

Moreover, since you yourself said that the English channel is partly French waters, what authority do you have to toll other's ships with out my consent? Or for that matter without giving me part of the profits? They're my waters too. And, untill further notice, my side of the channel will be open to all nationalities that desire to use it.

Oh, and yes, I am terrified of you, but hey, a technicality is a technicality. Will you back down this time, like on the Suez, or not?

President Joane d' Loquate

	26-06-2002 20:23									#165
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Well, sorry for the delay, but Russia is not willing to move until there has been an investigation on the incident. Until British reply to the French questions and accusations has been given, which are backed by Russia (that has actually brought up the point of the Brits being more than quick with action), no savegame will be submitted

That's because Russia has to fear another threat. Such as the Brits saying "Oh, BTW, now that it's Japan's turn, we demand you to send us a gift of 400 golöd or we nuke your cities" and then start off when it's their turn. Exaggerated. But to the point. Brits are evil in this game.

	26-06-2002 22:16									#166
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Side with russia if ye must ye damn frogs but Britain is in the right this time and will not back down, despite not knowing what im supposed to back down from .

Britain does admit it was wrong to blockade the english channel and the straits of gibraltor but as we have been very kind as to unblock these same waterways our involvement in that farce is now ended.

However britain is true to its word. It said it would withdraw from the disputed waterways and it has, but it also said that it would sink russian ships if the toll wasnt payed, and frankly i would have just accepted an IOU until the next turn, but as russia sneered in the face of this, obviously fair, offer britain took what action it said it would. Britain is true to her word, whatever that may be

	26-06-2002 23:26									#167
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iou?

	27-06-2002 00:46									#168
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yes IOU = I owe you, as in money, if youd have just promised to pay the money nothing would have happened.

	27-06-2002 01:03									#169
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I did. The message was on board of one of those ships.

	28-06-2002 16:08									#170
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion I did. The message was on board of one of those ships.

Take that, Britain

Someone needs to invent the red telephone right now

	28-06-2002 17:03									#171
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Well, originally I wanted to wait until there was a final solution to this, but there ain't any. So I'll post the savegame in a few minutes and hope there won't be any more agression from the UK.

Russia re-initiates trade routines, starts to construct additional ships and freight units.

	28-06-2002 17:12									#172
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	28-06-2002 17:13									#173
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I have by far the most posts in this thread. Only paiktis would beat me on this one.

	29-06-2002 03:20									#174
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Uh, Gary, how can you insist Russia pay up when (during the same turn ei month) say that you have no power to charge money for the passage through the English channel?

Of course since the turns have now made a full circle you guys will have to settle this another way. Oh, and sorry for being such a pain in the ass, but you are too powerful. Settle this thing outside of war, ok you two?

And use IMing or PMing, I hate everything clustering up a thread except for the heavy stuff. So Ecth, lay off on that please. If anything, a prize should go to the one who has the fewest, to the point, and detail packed posts, not the other way around.

	29-06-2002 16:37									#175
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Britain stands by everything they say, so this war will continue until russia pays up. And it is my perogitive, as the most powerful nation on earth to keep it that way. So France better shut her cake hole because i think with me taking out quite a few russian vessels that i can deal with both France and Germanys Fleets.

Not that i want to but i will if i have to. This war has nothing to do with you, its not interfering in anything you want to do, well apart from curb my power

So the war will continue, Russia was foolish if they thought they could take on the most powerful nation in the world and win, and i will prove to them what a foolish move that was.

	01-07-2002 17:21									#176
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	02-07-2002 03:44									#177
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Good news.

	06-07-2002 14:06									#178
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*BUMP* for the eternal allies of Japan and all-round great nation, the French

	06-07-2002 18:48									#179
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African Chiefdoms Fall!

Last month two African chiefdoms accepted French dominance over them. In tribute they offered 100gold pieces for the French treasury.

Alexandria and Bangkok aproach doom

French troops approach the treacherous cities of Alexandria and Bangkok, two infamous cities which are now pouring France's wrath upon their own heads.

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Sorry, about the wait, forgot it was my turn. BtW I'll be gone July 10-15, hope that doesn't interfere.

	06-07-2002 18:50									#180
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oops, and the save.

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