27-05-2002 01:40									#91
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depends on your definition of good...



...and soccer

	27-05-2002 02:25									#92
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Well, second in the Spanish league, Spanish cup champions, CL quarter-finals...not bad.

	27-05-2002 02:38									#93
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that makes them the best in Europe?

If you think Deportivo is the best, than I say Feyenoord is. UEFA Cup winners and all, beating Rangers, PSV, Inter and Dortmund.

	27-05-2002 02:47									#94
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What about Real Madrid guys

Saluti

	27-05-2002 03:30									#95
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They don't have as good a squad. Their lack of defensive cover is particularly worrying.

Feyenoord? I think the Spanish league may be a bit tougher than the Dutch league, and the CL tougher than the UEFA cup.

	27-05-2002 03:32									#96
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but the final of the UEFA cup is better than the 1/4th final of the CL. And Inter and Dortmund are world class teams.

	27-05-2002 21:50									#97
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Dortmund had a man sent off, Inter got beaten in one leg by Ipswich, who got relegated from the Premier League. Deportivo spanked Arsenal when Arsenal were playing really well.

	28-05-2002 01:30									#98
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Ever heard of luck, because with all these arguments we could also say that Valencia is the best team, beating those European 'Superpowers' in their own league.

I am personally leaning towards Real Madrid, looking at their squad, performance and way of playing. The last one will mean I will never say a German team is the best in the world.

And about Feyenoord, losing 1-0 to De Graafschap, do have to say more?

	28-05-2002 01:35									#99
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Mark: And yet... who's in the World Cup .

I think we put up a better fight against Ireland as well .

	28-05-2002 01:46									#100
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I could bet all my coffee-break money (and that's a lot!) on that Roy Keane has been bribed my some crazy and excentric american oil billioneer from Texas....

	28-05-2002 01:48									#101
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As if that bribery would help.

	28-05-2002 01:55									#102
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Americans often are of a very positive nature.

	28-05-2002 22:17									#103
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Do you think you get trough to the second round? If yes, you really have a positive nature.

	28-05-2002 22:32									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Oligarf Ever heard of luck, because with all these arguments we could also say that Valencia is the best team, beating those European 'Superpowers' in their own league. I am personally leaning towards Real Madrid, looking at their squad, performance and way of playing. The last one will mean I will never say a German team is the best in the world. And about Feyenoord, losing 1-0 to De Graafschap, do have to say more?

Valencia have a case, but their defence is aging. League performance should be weighted above cup performance, because winning a league is hard (as the Dutch discovered ).

	28-05-2002 22:56									#105
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Yes, because everyone, except for people from Amsterdam, agree that Feyenoord and PSV are actually better. So why saying actual performance says something about being better.