21-05-2002 15:51									#1
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quote: UK Prime Minister Tony Blair says he wants to stop politicians on both sides of the Atlantic from creating a rift between America and Europe. He told the Times newspaper that the "sensible majority" understood that what the two continents had in common was far more important than what divided them. He warned politicians on both sides of the Atlantic not to ask Britain to choose between them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk...000/1999396.stm

People like Saint Marcus and Faded Glory who wish to see a rift between the US and Europe develop are not part of the sensible majority.

	21-05-2002 16:00									#2
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk...000/1999396.stm People like Saint Marcus and Faded Glory who wish to see a rift between the US and Europe develop are not part of the sensible majority.

well this is obvious. the US is the most pwerful nation in the world and the EU (if it pulls it's act together and does what its supposed to [or what i think it's supposed to]) will be a close rival.

but if they work together, they wotn eb rivals, they'll be great allies indeed. with the combined money / labor between all the nations of the US and EU, or as i now call it the USEU, we'd have colonies on mars in no time

	21-05-2002 16:21									#3
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Good idea, but I can guess what Floyd will say.

	21-05-2002 17:08									#4
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"jealousy about America's position and concern about American culture dominating European culture".


LMAO!
Tony is such a pathetic little asspuppet....

	21-05-2002 17:11									#5
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The EU is jealous of the US and of Britain's special relationship with it.

	21-05-2002 17:35									#6
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The EU ? Jealous of what ?

	21-05-2002 17:47									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's People like Saint Marcus and Faded Glory who wish to see a rift between the US and Europe develop are not part of the sensible majority.

you neither, you support MUFC.

	21-05-2002 18:13									#8
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This article is so ****ing funny

quote: The prime minister said this anti-American sentiment in Europe was to do with "jealousy about America's position and concern about American culture dominating European culture".

Are you sure Tony isn't an American? Pathetic little asspuppet indeed.

quote: He told the Times newspaper that the "sensible majority" understood that what the two continents had in common was far more important than what divided them.

Source? Out of Tony's own Prime Ministerial ass.

	21-05-2002 18:15									#9
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oh, it goes on even

quote: Referring to the growing importance on the world stage of Russia

what growing importance of Russia?

I'm begining to lose all the respect I had for Blair. And he used to be a social democrat too! Could have fooled me...

	21-05-2002 18:53									#10
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American leaders always know what is best for other countries -- whether those countries realize they should be "nurtured" by us or not.

	21-05-2002 20:15									#11
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Saint Marcus has confirmed Boddington's assertation, he has showed himself to be completely non-sensible

Blair
USA
EU

	21-05-2002 20:22									#12
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Surely its obvious that co-operation between Europe and the US is a good thing.

	21-05-2002 20:23									#13
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I wish they'd figure out what's best for their own country for a change. They aren't doing a very good job at it (just look at the economic crises, terracts, anthrax, enron scandal, election fraud, republicans, etc)

	21-05-2002 20:28									#14
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Is it impossible to figure out whats best for your own country and help out others at the same time?

	21-05-2002 20:28									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus what growing importance of Russia?

The growing need for a large source of non-Arabian oil.

	21-05-2002 20:32									#16
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I see a lot of anti-American cr*p in this forum. There is very little anti-anything else cr*p. (Save for Israel.)

I think this speaks volumes. Blair is entirely correct in his analysis.

	21-05-2002 20:32									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus They aren't doing a very good job at it (just look at the economic crises, terracts, anthrax, enron scandal, election fraud, republicans, etc)

Just look at (continental) Europe (assassinations, political turmoil, the rise of Neo-nazism, granting human rights to cows, terracts, scandals, etc.)

	21-05-2002 20:39									#18
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Dinodoc - please make that continental Europe...

	21-05-2002 20:42									#19
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You are correct, Bod. I should have made that distinction. I apologize.

	21-05-2002 20:47									#20
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For once I agree with Blair. And he's right: there is a certain element of jealousy when it comes to the US. And why shouldn't there be? America whoops Europe's ass in pretty much every department (although the gap isn't quite as wide as you might think).

Having said this, it would be nice if the Americans would stop rubbing our faces in their superiority every 5 minutes.

	21-05-2002 20:55									#21
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quote: The growing need for a large source of non-Arabian oil.

the biggest source of non-Arabian oil lies in Kazakstan, not Russia.

quote: Dinodoc - please make that continental Europe...

neo-nazism is also on a rise in Britain, just look at the Labour party.

	21-05-2002 21:02									#22
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Paul,

I think that was Blair's point about politicians on both sides of the Atlantic. His issue with US politicians, IIRC from the article, was that some of them "don't take Europe seriously" or something like that. Translation: quit being arrogant bastards.

Clearly it would be a good thing for both sides if the EU and US made more of an effort to cooperate with one another. This includes handling disagreements as amicably as possible. It's one thing to disagree. It's another to lob accusations at each other.

I'm fairly certain the "don't make us choose" bit refers to Iraq.

-Arrian

	21-05-2002 21:04									#23
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EU jaleous of USA ? Maybe... But not only. We have serious concern about our ally !

USA is more and more threatening economicaly EU.

	21-05-2002 21:06									#24
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face it. US and the EU are drifting apart.

I am in the process of offering a hot chocolate to one of the palestinian national liberation freedom fighters.

the UK is standing in the middle of the road. Whoever stands in the middle of the road gets crushed by a truck.

	21-05-2002 21:07									#25
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quote: USA is more and more threatening economicaly EU.

Only because the EU isn't treating the US with the respect it deserves. Hopefully Blair will sort the EU wrt this.

	21-05-2002 21:08									#26
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and jealous of what?
of your medical system? both US and UK suck at it.

of your laws? the death penalty?

of your quality of life? the thousands of homeless?

of your culture? mc donald's chips and fries hollywood crap and balir superstar?

get real.

	21-05-2002 21:09									#27
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UK has no voice in the EU.

	21-05-2002 21:11									#28
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Just look at (continental) Europe (assassinations, political turmoil, the rise of Neo-nazism, granting human rights to cows, terracts, scandals, etc.)

Continental ?
Britain isn't the land of angels.

And USA didn't have to each us anything about morality.
President assassination, scandals, Human rights, terracts exists too in USA.

	21-05-2002 21:16									#29
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plus all americans are now a bunch of frightened dogs because of imminent terracts. same in the UK in a short while

	21-05-2002 21:16									#30
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Well US superiority is limited to a few fields. But yes, as a rule:

1. if you are superior, thou shalt not blah on and on about how great you are and how much everyone else sucks

2. if you are not superior, thou shalt not blah on and on about how great you are and how much everyone else sucks

As an example for rule 2, America inc. has been bombarding about how great your financial system is. One enron, one Ebbers and several other "incidents" later, there still is the same blah, although more muted and with some *cough* dissent.
Now I can understand why antiamerican noises hit some nerves on your side of the pond, but most of you haven't witnessed the crap we've been exposed to from your side, roughly since the end of the cold war and the collapse of the japanese economic miracle - guess for lack of other proper comparisons for your #1-ism.

Antiamericanism was pretty much the reserve of the wild left and the very extreme right. It has become very fashinable recently, and I do not think that the bulk of the blame for this is with any substantial change in Europe, but rather in America. I'd also point out that the major newspapers usually do not run "fascist americans" op-eds, while eg the Washington Post does not hesitate to bring a "antisemitic europe" op-ed, and similar things in the NYT....

As for Colin Powell or our own Chris## here - "I feel your pain".