22-05-2002 08:40									#31
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That's the thing with Nintendo. It's the tried and true guaranteed stuff and characters everyone's nice and cozy with.

That's a boon to some people, and it pisses other people off.

Nintendo is the Toyota of game consoles. Safe, dependable, will probably always be around.

Not enough innovation (anymore -- they used to rule) for my tastes, it's mostly recycling characters through different types of games now.

	22-05-2002 08:47									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Seeker I LIKE franchise games. I know what I'm getting, plus some new stuff. What is Square's status with regard to exclusive deals? Still all Sony?

I believe this might answer your question.

	22-05-2002 08:58									#33
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There are rumors that Square is making a GCN game but I don't believe it, not after Sony's $130M "investment" in Square.

Square's just making GBA games as far as everyone knows.

quote: Asher, go to the website and you'll se a wealth of good games that are due out. None of which are the derivative peices of crap that you seem to be suggesting. And even a few of the franchises that you list here are taking chances with an established formula: ex. Star Fox Adventures - Dinosaur Planet.

I haven't seen any games on GCN I'd like, all of the games with good gameplay look to be the typical games which is good gameplay but I'm bored of it.


Could you make a list of good non-Nintendo franchised game that are coming to GCN that I can't get on the Xbox?

	22-05-2002 09:01									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Could you make a list of good non-Nintendo franchised game that are coming to GCN that I can't get on the Xbox?

As I don't keep up with the games that are coming out for the Xbox unless they get mentioned in PCGamer, that might be a little tough.

	22-05-2002 09:03									#35
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How about just a general list then, even if they may be multiplatform?

I'll honestly consider getting a GCN ($229CDN is a damn good deal) but I want to see what kind of games are out for it.

	22-05-2002 09:08									#36
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The future Resident Evil games.

If you could tell me what sort of console games you like, I could give you a more detailed list.

	22-05-2002 09:11									#37
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You can't get Beach Spikers on the Xbox...
Honestly, it seems like a cool game, pity only it doesn't hit us this holyday, it's a typical holyday-chill out kind of game.

And it has it's graphic highlights if I put it that way...

Furthermore, NBA Street (PS2, NGC) is yet another reason I got inclined towards NGC.

Die Hard: Vendetta (NGC) seems cool as well...

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	22-05-2002 09:12									#38
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Super Monkey Ball is a ridiculously fun game for the GameCube. It should not be as fun as it is. Well worth the price of the game, at least. SSBM is also a blast, as long as you have someone to play with. Even single-player is fun. And Pikmin is simply amazing.

My fiancee and I haven't had the time to look at the more recent games, but all three of those get the strongest possible recommendation from me.

	22-05-2002 09:12									#39
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Xbox sales are extremely flat in Europe and especially in Japan.

I am very surprised that Glonk is upset by Sony's marketing ploy. Afterall, MS has been doing the same thing for years.

	22-05-2002 09:27									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Juggernaut You can't get Beach Spikers on the Xbox... Honestly, it seems like a cool game, pity only it doesn't hit us this holyday, it's a typical holyday-chill out kind of game. And it has it's graphic highlights if I put it that way...

There's no way in hell that can beat DOA3 Extreme Volleyball (featuring the DOA3 girls)

quote: Furthermore, NBA Street (PS2, NGC) is yet another reason I got inclined towards NGC.

I hate basketball. With a passion.

quote: Xbox sales are extremely flat in Europe and especially in Japan.

Extremely flat in Europe?
They're neck and neck with GC as of the last figures.
Xbox has sold 500,000 so far, GC 400,000 in Europe.

Japan, yeah. I think they should pull out. Japanese gamers are not in the Xbox market demographic.

quote: I am very surprised that Glonk is upset by Sony's marketing ploy. Afterall, MS has been doing the same thing for years.

Yeah, and if you had a ****ing clue, you'd know I always hated that about MS too. Christ, UR, figure it out already!

Person who likes many MS products != MS Apologist.

I understand it's difficult for your feeble little brain to differenciate between the two, but I strongly recommend you start.

	22-05-2002 09:32									#41
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DinoDoc:

quote: The future Resident Evil games.

I guess so. Survival horror isn't my thing but they're worth a rent usually.

quote: If you could tell me what sort of console games you like, I could give you a more detailed list.

I like console FPSes (coop mode mandatory).
I like racing games (Rally, F1, GT, etc -- No NASCAR and that crap)
I like innovative platform games. I cannot stand playing platform games that all play the same with different characters and levels.
I like arcade games (Gunvalkyrie, Panzer Dragoon, etc)
I like soccer and hockey games.
I like MMORPGs.

	22-05-2002 09:42									#42
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Star Wars: Bounty Hunter (NGC, PS2). This looks like way more fun than eg. Halo.

Got ya.

	22-05-2002 09:43									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Juggernaut Star Wars: Bounty Hunter (NGC, PS2). This looks like way more fun than eg. Halo. Got ya.

I guess you never saw my opinion of Star Wars in the Star Wars threads, did you?

And I would seriously doubt "it looks more fun than Halo".

Have you played Halo in depth? There's a reason why GameSpy and all call it the best FPS ever.

How does this game look "more fun" than Halo?
And how does it compare to SW: Galaxies (Xbox) and SW: Knights of the Old Republic (Xbox)?

	22-05-2002 09:48									#44
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I've heard some reputable sources say that Halo gets extremely boring after you play it a while. Very repetitive, apparently...

	22-05-2002 09:51									#45
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse I've heard some reputable sources say that Halo gets extremely boring after you play it a while. Very repetitive, apparently...

All games are repetitive, it depends how much you like the game.

I think it's incredible, mainly because I played it through all the way solo with all difficulties (even Legendary) then went back and still play missions as co-op with my brother and friends over. It's really amazing how awesome the AI is at higher difficulties, definitely plays like a different game.

Quite fun, best game I've played in years.

But people who aren't quite fond of FPSes will get bored after a bit, but still enjoy it at first at least.

	22-05-2002 09:52									#46
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All of this list is from Nintendo's list of current and upcoming games:

quote: Originally posted by Asher I like console FPSes

Die Hard: Vendetta
James Bond 007 NightFire
Turok Evolution
TimeSplitters 2

quote: I like racing games (Rally, F1, GT, etc -- No NASCAR and that crap)

4 x 4 Evolution 2
Burnout
XG3 Extreme G Racing
Driven

quote: I like soccer

David Beckham Soccer
ESPN MLS Extra Time 2002
FIFA Soccer 2002
International Superstar Soccer
RedCard 20-03

quote: and hockey games.

NHL 2003
NHL Hitz
Sega Sports NHL 2K3

	22-05-2002 09:54									#47
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Die Hard: Vendetta

I never liked the movies or the PC games based on Die Hard.

quote: James Bond 007 NightFire Turok Evolution TimeSplitters 2

Xbox is getting them all.

quote: 4 x 4 Evolution 2 Burnout

Xbox has this

quote: XG3 Extreme G Racing

What's this game? Is it like Wipeout/F-Zero?

quote: Driven

You have to be kidding me.

quote: David Beckham Soccer ESPN MLS Extra Time 2002 FIFA Soccer 2002 RedCard 20-03

Xbox has these

quote: NHL 2003 NHL Hitz Sega Sports NHL 2K3

Xbox has these.

	22-05-2002 10:05									#49
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Indeed.

Once you look at most of the non-Franchise games most of them are multiplatform anyway. Oh well...

	22-05-2002 10:10									#50
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The Xbox seems to have very good taste in putting out thier games. Just put out the same games as the GameCube and you can not go wrong.

BTW, Here is a short description of XG3 Extreme G Racing.

Here's a screenshot as well:

Attachment: xg3_gcn_ss03.jpg
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	22-05-2002 10:14									#51
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You didn't exclude multiplatform games from the list, Asher. It would have made my life much harder if you had.

quote: Originally posted by Asher Once you look at most of the non-Franchise games most of them are multiplatform anyway. Oh well...

Yes, but the GC has the advantage of being cheaper.

	22-05-2002 10:16									#52
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That looks a lot like Quantum Redshift:

	22-05-2002 10:21									#53
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Yes, but the GC has the advantage of being cheaper.

Not if you plan to take it online (as I will).

	22-05-2002 10:24									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Not if you plan to take it online (as I will).

Nintendo is going to allow you to do that soon as well.

	22-05-2002 10:25									#55
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Yes, but it won't be cheaper then since you gotta buy extra stuff.

And Nintendo's taking a hands off policy. They're going to sell a modem and ethernet kit and say "there you go" to the developers and let them do whatever they want.

	22-05-2002 10:33									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Asher And Nintendo's taking a hands off policy. They're going to sell a modem and ethernet kit and say "there you go" to the developers and let them do whatever they want.

Rather like PC manufacturers.

Seriously though, I'd like to see developers setting up thier own Battle.net type services rather than deal with MSN Gaming Zone type services because, for me, it is easier to set up a good game on the developer services.

	22-05-2002 10:38									#57
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Most developers do not set up their own battle.net type services. On PCs, they rely on people setting up their own servers (on Linux, Windows, whatever -- usually free software) or peer to peer.

On consoles, you don't have the "make your own server" option.

What's left is publishers must front the cost of setting up, designing, and coding their own servers and most will probably end up charging a fee for this.

With Xbox Live, MS hosts all the fat-piped servers, allows game developers to tweak how gamers connect and use the service (effectively making their own "battlenet" if they want to -- I think Sega Sports is going to do this), but it's all hosted on 4 huge datacenters (2 in Washington State, 1 in London, 1 in Tokyo) with fat internet pipes.

All but premium games (Phantasy Star Online, SW: Galaxies, etc) are covered by the $50/year (which also gets you the voice headset) for Xbox Live.

You'll end up saving a helluva lot of money using this technique. Mark my words.

Plus on the GC/PS2, games are designed to use narrowband as well. Less stuff over the network means less features in online play. The slowest speed grade for Xbox Live is broadband. No modem laggers, woowoo.

Microsoft is spending $2B over five years on Xbox Live.
How much is Nintendo spending on making Gamecube online gaming fun?

Xbox Live will also offer additions (share your Tony Hawk levels online), expansion pack downloads, stats tracking across all games, a feature to quickly play a game right away, a feature to play a game against someone with the same skill level, mandatory support of the voice communicator, etc.

	22-05-2002 10:52									#58
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Asher: The online market for consoles is still an unproven and risky market and I wouldn't be suprised if Nintendo wasn't going to spend near as much Microsoft in this area in order to play it safe. Also according to you it seems to be about to intoduce console gamers to the concept of patches, which won't be a good thing to a group of people unaccostomed to the concept.

Thankfully, I don't care about online console gaming. As such it doesn't affect me.

	22-05-2002 10:55									#59
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Asher: The online market for consoles is still an unproven and risky market and I wouldn't be suprised if Nintendo wasn't going to spend near as much Microsoft in this area in order to play it safe. Also according to you it seems to be about to intoduce console gamers to the concept of patches, which won't be a good thing to a group of people unaccostomed to the concept.

You can't "patch" Xbox games, you can append to. There's a distinct difference.

Games must, before hand, add in hooks to allow for "booster packs" to be added. It's impossible to edit the game on the DVD, all that can be added is more content that can be stored on the hard drive (more levels, more characters, updated rosters and stats for sports games)

	22-05-2002 11:15									#60
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Uhmm!

X-Box is not getting ISS???

That's really bad for X-Box!
It's the most popular soccer game in Italy, hard to sell your console without it....

quote: quote: David Beckham Soccer ESPN MLS Extra Time 2002 FIFA Soccer 2002 RedCard 20-03 Xbox has these

Saluti

P.S. keep decribing the different features, I still have to get my console